Why is Suicide Wrong

[Lost4words]

Life can be a struggle. Picking up our cross and following Jesus can be very difficult. There are many crosses. All different.

Have faith in God. See how Jesus suffered. What He went through for us.

We have to believe that Jesus is carrying us when we suffer. He does not abandon anyone.

Those people who jumped did not want to end their lives. They didnt want to suffer. It was not suicide as we know it. It was an escape. I am sure God saw that. May God bless them all.

 

[Sam91]

Life can be a struggle. Picking up our cross and following Jesus can be very difficult. There are many crosses. All different.

Have faith in God. See how Jesus suffered. What He went through for us.

We have to believe that Jesus is carrying us when we suffer. He does not abandon anyone.

Those people who jumped did not want to end their lives. They didnt want to suffer. It was not suicide as we know it. It was an escape. I am sure God saw that. May God bless them all.

Jonah, when on that boat in the storm said they ought to throw him. They did and God saved him with the whale and ensured that His will was carried out, using Jonah to pass on the message to the people of Nineveh.

 

[JoeP222w]

But there are people who suffer a lot in this life.

Yes, there are because man has rebelled against God, and the cause of suffering is the consequence of sin. As Christians it is our command to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ, to give someone hope of redemption from sin in Jesus.

There are people who are disabled and they see the people who are not disable being able to do stuff that they cannot do. It makes them want to kill themselves.

Yes, again the consequence of sin.

And some people deal with actual pain, not emotional, but physical pain. Why can't they just end it all?

Because they did not self-create. God has created them and they do not have the authority to take their own life. God owns them and God has define human life to be sacred since we are created in His image. They need to be shown the hope that they can have in Jesus Christ. Does not mean that their struggles here will be over, but when it is God's appointed time to bring them home, they will finally be free from pain and suffering if they turn from their sin and trust in Him.

Sometimes it seems unfair to say that it is wrong to kill yourself, for those who are actually suffering.

I don't understand that logic. It is unfair to say that life is sacred and given by God? Even in the midst of suffering?

I watched a video on 9/11 attack, and people were jumping out of the windows. These people were going to die anyways.

We are all going to die, that does not give us the right to take our lives into our own hands.

Why would God tell someone that they have to suffer through the pain?

Ask Jesus about the pain He suffered at the cross and then ask that question. Jesus chose that path of pain that was far more excruciating than anything man has ever even begun to face. Yet Jesus did it.

Sometimes suicide is the only option.

This thought is completely wrong and completely unbiblical. Suicide is never, never the only option.

Closing thought:

Suicide, although a sin in the eyes of God, is not the unpardonable sin. Despite what the Roman Catholic church taught for many years, suicides do not automatically go to Hell. However, one who commits suicide may be demonstrating a life that has not repented of sin and trusted in Jesus Christ. I do know that God's grace is far, far greater than we can ever imagine, but also God does not abandon His justice at the cost of His grace. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Dave-W]

The Lord told us not to kill.

Actually it was to not commit murder.

There is a difference.

 

[Petros2015]

There is a difference.

Not to the person getting killed!

 

[Sam91]

Yes, there are because man has rebelled against God, and the cause of suffering is the consequence of sin. As Christians it is our command to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ, to give someone hope of redemption from sin in Jesus.



Yes, again the consequence of sin.



Because they did not self-create. God has created them and they do not have the authority to take their own life. God owns them and God has define human life to be sacred since we are created in His image. They need to be shown the hope that they can have in Jesus Christ. Does not mean that their struggles here will be over, but when it is God's appointed time to bring them home, they will finally be free from pain and suffering if they turn from their sin and trust in Him.



I don't understand that logic. It is unfair to say that life is sacred and given by God? Even in the midst of suffering?



We are all going to die, that does not give us the right to take our lives into our own hands.



Ask Jesus about the pain He suffered at the cross and then ask that question. Jesus chose that path of pain that was far more excruciating than anything man has ever even begun to face. Yet Jesus did it.



This thought is completely wrong and completely unbiblical. Suicide is never, never the only option.

Closing thought:

Suicide, although a sin in the eyes of God, is not the unpardonable sin. Despite what the Roman Catholic church taught for many years, suicides do not automatically go to Hell. However, one who commits suicide may be demonstrating a life that has not repented of sin and trusted in Jesus Christ. I do know that God's grace is far, far greater than we can ever imagine, but also God does not abandon His justice at the cost of His grace. They are not mutually exclusive.

I disagree that it is suicide when jumping from a building that is on fire. Wouldn't be better classified as an attempt to escape the flames.

You try standing in intense heat, breathing smoke filled air. Your inbuilt mechanisms kick in. In the immediate danger your adrenal glands pump out hormones to fight or flight. We are built to try to survive.

I remember seeing a lot of smoke coming from a building across the road, suddenly it looked like it was billowing coming out of a window, which had just opened. Because I'm highly empathetic, I screamed inside my house, my kids were in bed. I was panic stricken, turned round and rushed away from the window and back again. That was when I saw the occupants were talking through the window to the fire brigade. I gathered then that the fire was probably an outside fire and it hadn't been billowing out the window.

Earlier this year I needed to call 999 for someone who'd fallen and then was sat bleeding and incoherant, then she wouldn't talk to anyone. She just hid in a ball. I really struggled to work my phone.

In a real, dangerous, traumatic situation, do you really think they can choose to commit suicide. Or is it a response to the fact that they can't physically stand in a fire or breathe these fumes? Standing, deliberately breathing fumes against the body mechanisms forcing them to escape, wouldn't that also be suicide? That would be choosing to die too?... This is where is becomes inane.

I maintain my belief that someone jumping a burning building is not suicide. There is no intention to die, it is just an outcome.

 

[JoeP222w]

I disagree that it is suicide when jumping from a building that is on fire. Wouldn't be better classified as an attempt to escape the flames.

Depends on the motivation of the heart. If someone did it in a panic, then I don't know if it is considered suicide.

But the ultimate escape from the flames would be to repent of sin and trust in Jesus Christ.

In a real, dangerous, traumatic situation, do you really think they can choose to commit suicide.

Yes. Although fear can be a powerful thing, it will not be an excuse before God for why they remained in their sin up unto that point in their life.

Or is it a response to the fact that they can't physically stand in a fire or breathe these fumes?

Yes, I do not deny that there is a physiological response to dangerous situations.

I maintain my belief that someone jumping a burning building is not suicide. There is no intention to die, it is just an outcome.

It would go back to their heart attitude determined by God. If they are trusting in Christ, then they will be eternally saved. If they are cursing God as they fall, God will grant them justice.

 

[Sam91]

Depends on the motivation of the heart. If someone did it in a panic, then I don't know if it is considered suicide.

But the ultimate escape from the flames would be to repent of sin and trust in Jesus Christ.



Yes. Although fear can be a powerful thing, it will not be an excuse before God for why they remained in their sin up unto that point in their life.



Yes, I do not deny that there is a physiological response to dangerous situations.



It would go back to their heart attitude determined by God. If they are trusting in Christ, then they will be eternally saved. If they are cursing God as they fall, God will grant them justice.

I'm just saying that it isn't necessarily suicide. The person is dying either way. Regardless of how they deal with the situation.

The judgement is God's.

 

[Dave-W]

Depends on the motivation of the heart. If someone did it in a panic, then I don't know if it is considered suicide.

It would fit my definition.

What is yours?

 

[Brightmoon]

That fire near the LIRR tracks 20 years ago . Think of how wide 8 tracks are with station platforms and people moved to the other side of the train to escape the heat . The train was no where near the fire on track 1 and it was still painful. It actually was hotter than opening an oven . As I’ve stated I re thought how I think about fires. there is no way I thought those people jumping from the World Trade Center commited suicide. And think you are wrong to judge them.

 

[Sam91]

It would fit my definition.

What is yours?

My definition is wilfully choosing to die.

Someone in a situation outside of their control, who is dying either way, is not killing themself. They are a casualty of the event.

It is almost impossible to remain inside a fire if there is an escape route. I can not imagine being able too. It is not a lack of faith, fear in jumpers. I can not imagine it to be possible. We have a nervous system wired to drive us away from intense heat.

 

[Par5]

Life can be a struggle. Picking up our cross and following Jesus can be very difficult. There are many crosses. All different.

Have faith in God. See how Jesus suffered. What He went through for us.

We have to believe that Jesus is carrying us when we suffer. He does not abandon anyone.

Those people who jumped did not want to end their lives. They didnt want to suffer. It was not suicide as we know it. It was an escape. I am sure God saw that. May God bless them all.

I agree that I would not consider those who jumped from a burning building as people committing suicide.
Who knows how you would react in such a terrifying situation.
The majority of posters on this thread have demonstrated an alarming degree of smug self-righteousness regarding those who find themselves in such a dark place that they feel it necessary to end their life.
I don't know what it is that could drive someone to take such drastic action and
neither does anyone else and as I said before, I find critics of such people to be
very self-righteous in their condemnation.

 

[jayem]

Actually it was to not commit murder.

Unless it's God's will. Didn't Samson commit murder, and suicide, when he brought down the Philistines' temple? Of course, you say that's not murder or suicide. That's self-sacrifice. It was God's will that Samson would be the instrument to serve His justice on His enemies. And so, by logical extrapolation, how can you know if any suicide isn't God's will? Many tragic events may seem senseless to us, but I always hear Christian believers say that God is sovereign, and has a purpose for everything. And if one believes this, then no one can really judge if any particular suicide is, or is not, sinful.

And BTW: I'm sure the 9/11 conspiritors didn't think they were committing murder or suicide either. They no doubt believed they were making the ultimate sacrifice to serve justice on their God's enemies.

 

[Dave-W]

. Didn't Samson commit murder, and suicide, when he brought down the Philistines' temple?

Murder? No.
Suicide, yes.

Biblically murder is defined as shedding INNOCENT blood. The Philistines were anything but innocent.

Sampson himself was not innocent either.

 

[Dave-W]

And BTW: I'm sure the 9/11 conspiritors didn't think they were committing murder or suicide either. They no doubt believed they were making the ultimate sacrifice to serve justice on their God's enemies.

That is what you get when you listen to a demon instead of God.

 

[Easy Listener]

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There are people who are happy and healthy; and they just enjoy life. But there are people who suffer a lot in this life. There are people who are disabled and they see the people who are not disable being able to do stuff that they cannot do. It makes them want to kill themselves. And some people deal with actual pain, not emotional, but physical pain. Why can't they just end it all?

Sometimes it seems unfair to say that it is wrong to kill yourself, for those who are actually suffering. (Just to let you know, this is not me).

I watched a video on 9/11 attack, and people were jumping out of the windows. These people were going to die anyways. Then I watched a family who talked about their son. This was a Catholic family. They were talking about an unknown man who jumped out of the building, but they couldn't tell if it was their son or not. The picture was blurry. But you can tell that he was a cook just like their son by the clothes he was wearing. But they were pretty sure that it was not the son. They were saying that he knew not to commit suicide, for it is a sin against God. They were disappointed that anyone would even ask if that was their son. That was the only reason why the believe he wasn't their son. They couldn't tell by the picture. It was a little blurry, but you can clearly see what clothes he had on.

So, the question is, would they be disappointed if that was their son? Why would God tell someone that they have to suffer through the pain?

This guy was in a burning hot building, and breathing all this smoke. Do you know what that is like? Well, I'm sure you do. But it hurts your lungs. Why wouldn't he jump to alleviate the suffering? Sometimes suicide is the only option.

This is a very easy one: Suicide is murder. Next...

 

[TalkTheCross]

Interesting subject. First, starting with Why Is Suicide Wrong? My thought is suicide is the ultimate act of one being god of their own life. As to people jumping out of burning buildings, I don't see that as suicide. If they stay inside the building, the time arrives when they know they will die, jumping is at least an opportunity (I'll be it a slim one) to survive. One final thought is that panic can cause a person to do something without thinking about the consequences.

 

[Desk trauma]

Murder? No.
Suicide, yes.

Biblically murder is defined as shedding INNOCENT blood. The Philistines were anything but innocent.

Sampson himself was not innocent either.

If that is the case you cannot class suicide as murder as under the Christians notions of sin no one is innocent.

 

[Dave-W]

as under the Christians notions of sin no one is innocent.

But is that the appropriate understanding for this situation?

 

[Desk trauma]

But is that the appropriate understanding for this situation?

Its your standard, not mine. If some who isn't innocent, Im taking that as sinful, being killed is not murder and all people are not innocent how is murder even possible?