Why is SDA so obsessed with the Sabbath?

[LoveGodsWord]

Based on my conversations with Mormon missionaries, SDA seems to have have the same basic premise as LDS. Christianity became completely corrupt and apostate within a very short time. And then in the 19th century their prophet was given special revelations and visions to restore Christianity to what it was. And therefore they are the only church that God recognizes as His.

Misinformation again. SDA's share nothing in common with LDS/Morman beliefs. We follow the bible and the bible alone. Where do you think Protestantism came from and what was the reason for the Protestant reformation? Let's talk scripture. Seems to be lacking a bit in this thread from what I have been reading so far which is sad.

 

[JSRG]

I have been visiting SDA for some months many years ago, we also had her books, like the Great Controversy, at home.

They try to act as a normal Christian church to outsiders, but later people may find out they are not. They are close relatives to Jehovah Witnesses, in the end, so no suprise.

In what way are they "close relatives" to the Jehovah's Witnesses? I am not aware of any particular connection between the two; I do not believe that Charles Taze Russell was in any way affiliated with the SDAs or a similar group prior to founding the JWs. I am also not aware of any close commonality in beliefs between the two groups. I am perfectly willing to be corrected on that, however.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In what way are they "close relatives" to the Jehovah's Witnesses? I am not aware of any particular connection between the two; I do not believe that Charles Taze Russell was in any way affiliated with the SDAs or a similar group prior to founding the JWs. I am also not aware of any close commonality in beliefs between the two groups. I am perfectly willing to be corrected on that, however.

You are correct we have no commonality in belief at all with JW/LDS. It was misinformation and there seems to be a lot of it posted in this thread sadly.

Take Care.

 

[coffee4u]

It's not an obsession, it's obedience to God, which scripture supports:

• The saints keep the commandments of God, keep the faith of Jesus and have the testimony of Jesus (which is the spirit of prophecy). Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 19:10
• The seventh-day Sabbath is a commandment of God. Exodus 20:8-11
• Sin is transgression of the law of God. 1 John 3:4

It then makes perfect sense why it's an important topic.

No it doesn't make sense at all. You say we should all keep the ten commandments while ignoring the other 600 or so commandments in the rest of the Old Testament. We say if you want to pick the ten that you should also keep the other commandments in the OT.
You then claim to not be under the rest of them just the ten, and we ask you why those ten and not the rest and I don't recall any clear cut answer to that. And so we go around the mulberry bush.

 

[klutedavid]

Funny people always bring up Ellen White when they disagree with scripture, like Ellen White personally wrote the Ten Commandments when scripture tells us God did, with His own Finger. Exodus 34:28

We will not be judged is we follow or not follow the teaching of Ellen White, but we will be judged based on God’s Word.

No one will be judged on how they understand or interpret the scripture.

The following verse tells you the basis for the judgement.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

The one who believes in Him is not judged

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No it doesn't make sense at all. You say we should all keep the ten commandments while ignoring the other 600 or so commandments in the rest of the Old Testament. We say if you want to pick the ten that you should also keep the other commandments in the OT.
You then claim to not be under the rest of them just the ten, and we ask you why those ten and not the rest and I don't recall any clear cut answer to that. And so we go around the mulberry bush.

Because God's 10 commandments in the new covenant and the old covenant have a different role to the Mosaic laws for remission of sins under the old covenant Sanctuary system.

The old covenant laws in the earthly Sanctuary system and Levitical Priesthood for remission of sins through blood atonement and animal sacrifice for sins were all prophetic "shadow laws" pointing to Jesus as the coming Messiah and His work on our behalf as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (see John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10) and the role of Jesus in the new covenant as our Great High Priest who now ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-5. These Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins (God's forgiveness) under the old covenant are now all fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22) and are continued in His role as our great high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

All these Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sin of course had a different purpose to God's eternal law (10 commandments). In both the old and new covenants the role of God's 10 commandments that were spoken and written by God and was the work of God alone (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 20:3-17) is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) according to the scriptures *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. So the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to simply give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break God's commandments and to lead us to God to seek His forgiveness *Galatians 3:22-25.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No one will be judged on how they understand or interpret the scripture.

The following verse tells you the basis for the judgement.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

The one who believes in Him is not judged

According to the scripture we will all be judged by the words of God we accept or reject....

John 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Hebrews 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

John 3:36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

Matthew 7:21 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

God's salvation therefore is "conditional" on believing and obeying what Gods' Word says. Anything else according to the scriptures is the dead faith of devils as shown in James 2:17-26

Take Care.

 

[klutedavid]

This is a complete false statement. The JW do not believe in God’s Ten Commandments and do not keep the Sabbath. They have their own book, we believe in the Bible.

Take care.

A fellow named Charles Russell started the JW church.

Both Charles Russell and Jonas Wendall suffered the great dissapointment. That is, when the Millerite prophecy concerning the return of Jesus in 1844 failed. They both believed that the Millerite prophecy was true.

In 1870, at age eighteen, he (Charles Russell) attended a presentation by Adventist minister Jonas Wendell. Russell later said that, although he had not entirely agreed with Wendell's arguments, the presentation had inspired him with a renewed zeal and belief that the Bible is the word of God. (wiki.Charles.Taze.Russell)

Now inspired, Russell started the JW's

The Adventist Jonas Wendall then, unmoved by the earlier failed prophecy of Jesus returning. By the late 1860s he had been studying the chronology of the Bible, and was encouraged by conclusions showing Christ's return would occur in either 1868 or 1873/4

Those were the days. Make up a prophecy and when it fails, proceed to make another.

 

[Lost4words]

A decent and informative read:

The Lord’s Day Replaced the Sabbath

 

[klutedavid]

According to the scripture we will all be judged by the words of God we accept or reject....

John 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Hebrews 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

John 3:36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

Matthew 7:21 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

God's salvation therefore is "conditional" on believing and obeying what Gods' Word says. Anything else according to the scriptures is the dead faith of devils as shown in James 2:17-26

Take Care.

So your saying that believing in Jesus cannot grant salvation, at all. One must obey the sabbath also. Conditional?

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Your saying that John 3:18 is not true. Your saying that it is the belief in Jesus and having a rest once a week.

 

[klutedavid]

According to the scripture we will all be judged by the words of God we accept or reject....

John 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Hebrews 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

John 3:36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

Matthew 7:21 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

God's salvation therefore is "conditional" on believing and obeying what Gods' Word says. Anything else according to the scriptures is the dead faith of devils as shown in James 2:17-26

Take Care.

You quoted the verse below.

John 3:36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

Which is identical to the verse I quoted below.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Why did you disagree with my post, then post an identical verse. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

 

[klutedavid]

A decent and informative read:

The Lord’s Day Replaced the Sabbath

Don't tell me your under the law also?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

A fellow named Charles Russell started the JW church.

Both Charles Russell and Jonas Wendall suffered the great dissapointment. That is, when the Millerite prophecy concerning the return of Jesus in 1844 failed. They both believed that the Millerite prophecy was true.

In 1870, at age eighteen, he (Charles Russell) attended a presentation by Adventist minister Jonas Wendell. Russell later said that, although he had not entirely agreed with Wendell's arguments, the presentation had inspired him with a renewed zeal and belief that the Bible is the word of God. (wiki.Charles.Taze.Russell)

Now inspired, Russell started the JW's

The Adventist Jonas Wendall then, unmoved by the earlier failed prophecy of Jesus returning. By the late 1860s he had been studying the chronology of the Bible, and was encouraged by conclusions showing Christ's return would occur in either 1868 or 1873/4

Those were the days. Make up a prophecy and when it fails, proceed to make another.

Once again JW/LDS has nothing to do with the SDA Church and their different beliefs. SDA's believe the bible. Your post is misinformation by trying to draw parallels between different beliefs .

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Don't tell me your under the law also?

Hope not to be "under the law" means stand guilty before God of sin *Romans 3:19. Sin according to the scriptures is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments (James 2:10-11) and not believing Gods' Word *Romans 14:23.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You quoted the verse below.

John 3:36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

Which is identical to the verse I quoted below.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Why did you disagree with my post, then post an identical verse. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

I disagreed with your post because you were part quoting me and leaving the rest of my post out of my response. You forgot to add the other verses in the same post.

John 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Hebrews 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

John 3:36, He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

Matthew 7:21 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

God's salvation therefore is "conditional" on believing and obeying what Gods' Word says. Anything else according to the scriptures is the dead faith of devils as shown in James 2:17-26

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So your saying that believing in Jesus cannot grant salvation, at all. One must obey the sabbath also. Conditional?

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Your saying that John 3:18 is not true. Your saying that it is the belief in Jesus and having a rest once a week.

No I am saying that Gods' salvation is conditional to believing and following what Gods' Word says. I thought that was clear in the post you were quoting from. Do you think we can be saved in sin and unbelief, and if so, can we believe God by not doing what God's Word says? James calls the latter the dead faith of devils in James 2:17-26.

 

[ChristServant]

It's not an obsession, it's obedience to God, which scripture supports:

• The saints keep the commandments of God, keep the faith of Jesus and have the testimony of Jesus (which is the spirit of prophecy). Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 19:10
• The seventh-day Sabbath is a commandment of God. Exodus 20:8-11
• Sin is transgression of the law of God. 1 John 3:4

It then makes perfect sense why it's an important topic.

I agree with you on the above referring to saints, if you mean the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law. I think this is where there is much confusion about the commandments. Christ spoke about the spirit of the law several times.

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

 

[trophy33]

In what way are they "close relatives" to the Jehovah's Witnesses? I am not aware of any particular connection between the two; I do not believe that Charles Taze Russell was in any way affiliated with the SDAs or a similar group prior to founding the JWs. I am also not aware of any close commonality in beliefs between the two groups. I am perfectly willing to be corrected on that, however.

The similarities between the two groups can be traced back to their origins. Both SDA, or Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses were born out of “The Great Disappointment” of 1844. During this event, preacher William Miller believed that the Second Coming of Christ was near.
When Jesus failed to appear, his followers split into different groups, including those of SDA and Jehovah’s Witnesses, among others.

What is the Difference Between Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses? - Adventist Guide

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The similarities between the two groups can be traced back to their origins. Both SDA, or Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses were born out of “The Great Disappointment” of 1844. During this event, preacher William Miller believed that the Second Coming of Christ was near.
When Jesus failed to appear, his followers split into different groups, including those of SDA and Jehovah’s Witnesses, among others.

What is the Difference Between Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses? - Adventist Guide

Do you not understand that the Great Disappointment was a world wide movement? The SDA church did not form until 1863 and The Great Disappointment started from a Baptist minister. The SDA church has nothing to do with JW other than starting around the same time, which means nothing. Now that you have been corrected, it should be easy to stop spreading false information. Thanks and God bless.

 

[trophy33]

Do you not understand that the Great Disappointment was a world wide movement? The SDA church did not form until 1863 and The Great Disappointment started from a Baptist minister. The SDA church has nothing to do with JW other than starting around the same time, which means nothing. Now that you have been corrected, it should be easy to stop spreading false information. Thanks and God bless.

Argue with the website "adventistguide.com", it was a quotation - as indicated by italics and by the source.