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God is going to save everyone. If you aren't only using Christ for fire insurance, then you will get precisely what you have been working towards... not burning in hell for all eternity.... because that was never going to happen anyway.
I think not!God is going to save everyone. If you aren't only using Christ for fire insurance, then you will get precisely what you have been working towards... not burning in hell for all eternity.... because that was never going to happen anyway.
That's not what Jesus warned about in scripture.
I think the overwhelming majority of the blame goes to the leaders in Rome that invited Luther to discuss his ‘thesis’ and then attempted to assassinate him rather than talk.All sides were to blame
Yes it is, you just haven't understood it.
"Depart from me, ye accursed, into everlasting fire" doesn't sound like God winks at sin and is going to save everyone regardless of their belief.
You do realize, those "accursed" that are being described here, are those that he says "I never knew you" to, right? What does he mean by "I never knew you"?
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
The group that he is saying that are accursed, are those he never foreknew, because they were not predestined to be God's elect, and thus, not in the first resurrection, and not kings and priests.
Look here:
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Those chosen from the foundation of the world, are God's elect. They are the first fruits. They are special to God, and they will reign with him, because they are going to be his kings and priests, which he already decided upon, from the foundation of the world.
If you don't believe what the scriptures say about God choosing who will be in the first resurrection, then don't quote that scripture at me.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
if Jesus died for everybody then he failed because if that were true then most people that Jesus would have died for still end up in Hell. This is such a wicked false God that people have made up and I can see why people are confused because they believe in that horrible false gospel of Universalism that falsely states Jesus died so everyone in the whole world is now automatically saved. That is not what Jesus taught at all, completely unbiblical.God is going to save everyone. If you aren't only using Christ for fire insurance, then you will get precisely what you have been working towards... not burning in hell for all eternity.... because that was never going to happen anyway.
In no terms is that all inclusive "everyone" as you were claiming.
Yes there is an elect, and yes God knew who would be elect before they even existed.
But that is not everyone.
It is overall, a minority of all the people who have ever, or will ever, exist. It will be a vast multitude beyond counting, over hundreds of millions, probably billions, but it will still be "few" compared to the total number of people who will ever exist.
Matthew 7
if Jesus died for everybody then he failed because if that were true then most people that Jesus would have died for still end up in Hell. This is such a wicked false God that people have made up and I can see why people are confused because they believe in that horrible false gospel of Universalism that falsely states Jesus died so everyone in the whole world is now saved. That is not what Jesus taught at all, completely unbiblical.
the reality is that Jesus our Lord and savior's role and job all along was to die on the cross for the sins of his sheep/elect/children and this fact is affirmed over and over all throughout the New Testament, Jesus himself preached that many will go to Hell, few saved. Jesus never said that every single person is saved, the truth is that Jesus on the cross fully accomplished salvation and eternal life for his people, he didn't fail like Universalists say, he defeated death and now his people will live with him for eternity. while the wicked will justly be sent to Hell and eternal punishment for all eternity. God is love, Holy, Just, and Righteous.
verses from Gods word that proves Eternal torment:
Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luke 16:23-24 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Exodus 3:1-5* * *
This is a parable, and the burning is not literal, it is spiritual... and what happens when you burn someone spiritually?
Mat 11:20 Then He began to reproach the cities in which most of His powerful acts had occurred, for they did not repent.
Mat 11:21 Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the powerful acts which have taken place in you had happened in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Sackcloth and ashes is about repentance. When things are burned, they are reduced to ashes.
So, what you are saying is, God decided in advance, who would burn in hell for all eternity? That sounds like Calvinism, to me.
You do know that the Elect are the First Fruits, right?
Of course you understand that the First Fruits are extra special to God right?
Oh, what's this?
Exo 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
I'm sorry, but the pagan doctrine of eternal punishment, makes a complete mockery of scripture. There are only two resurrections.
They do not bring in the First Fruits of the harvest and then trash the rest of the harvest.... that goes completely against scripture!
A universalist saying someone else is going against scripture?
That's rich.
The bible is filled with warnings against hell.
Universalism makes all of those warnings meaningless.
The first resurrection is those in Christ. The second resurrection is everyone else.... but they go to the Great White Throne Judgement.
and those not in Christ?
Go to the second death, the lake of fire.
What you teach, that nobody goes to the lake of fire, that's unscriptural.
That's not just glossing over scripture it's blatantly flying in its face.
as much as I disagree with annihilationism, I can at least admit it has fewer direct contradictions with scripture, though they take liberty and stretch scripture to mean what they want it to (temporal punishment rather than eternal).
But universalists?
argue against scripture.
I never said nobody goes to the lake of fire, but you understanding of what the lake of fire is, is extremely wanting.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Not biblical?if Jesus died for everybody then he failed because if that were true then most people that Jesus would have died for still end up in Hell. This is such a wicked false God that people have made up and I can see why people are confused because they believe in that horrible false gospel of Universalism that falsely states Jesus died so everyone in the whole world is now automatically saved. That is not what Jesus taught at all, completely unbiblical.
Not biblical?
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Jesus taught of a real literal burning hell, not some spiritual place of annihilation.Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
This is a parable, and the burning is not literal, it is spiritual... and what happens when you burn someone spiritually?
Mat 11:20 Then He began to reproach the cities in which most of His powerful acts had occurred, for they did not repent.
Mat 11:21 Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the powerful acts which have taken place in you had happened in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Sackcloth and ashes is about repentance. When things are burned, they are reduced to ashes.
Did Jesus succeed or fail his mission?Yeah, it's salvation AVAILABLE for all people
if they will believe on Him.
You have to accept the gift.
Jesus taught of a real literal burning hell, not some spiritual place of annihilation.Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Now some will come and say that "destroy both soul and body in hell" means that they will cease to exist or just get annihilated instantly, however we see in the rest of scripture verses where Jesus Christ clearly warns of a literal hell, and makes it clear that ceasing to exist is not what happens after death. Hell is a real literal place. Ok let's look at some scriptures
Jesus clearly warns in Mark 9:47-48 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
now the Book of Revelation is clear that in Hell there is no rest day nor night, now you tell me how that can be if you just burn up and cease to exist at death? how would the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever if they are just one time obliterated after death? There is no indication by Jesus or anyone in the Bible that Hell isn't a real literal place, or it is just some annihilation place where people go and burn up once and that's it.
It's not about us. Never was.You have to accept the gift.
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