Why is pornography wrong?

[Sammy-San]

I cannot imagine Jesus spending a night in prayer with His Father, and then watching a Disney movie containing partial nudity and witchcraft elements.
It's unholy... which means it's not acceptable to God.

Did you agree with what I said about the faces on fictional beings? That was my opinion.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It's not for one simple reason. The Bible is Gods defenitive word to all of mankind forever. There is no part two, no sequel to the Bible. Everything that wee need to know as Christians is contained within scripture. As Christians we all know and accept Gods omniscience. The people he used to preserve his message may have been unaware of future technology but the almighty was certainly cognizant of the future. If he wanted a ban on something he would have establiahed it in his most holy Andrew glorious word.

So, if the Bible is God's definitive word (as you say), then it wouldn't be a stretch for me to say that 'healthy and holy sex' as God defines it is only seen in relation to marriage between a husband and wife, correct?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I went back and looked at his post. He didn't say anything like that.

I think you're trying to derail the thread to your own agenda. If so, start a thread of your own.

This is not the thread you're looking for.

First, my agenda is God and His Word.
Second, God's Word condemns a sin and still be saved doctrine.
Seeing I am told in Scripture to preach the Word, it is my duty to preach the truth;
And not a doctrine that tickles mens ears and makes them feel good falsely.
There are tons of warnings against a Sin and Still Be Saved type belief all over your Bible.
It is one of the reasons why men justify sin and think it is okay with God.
In fact, it is the reason for this thread.
Men are trying to justify the sin of porn as being okay with God.

I said to Danbha the following,

"A one time act of watching porn will condemn anyone to hell if they do not repent of it."
~ Quote by me, Jason.​

Needless to say, Danbha did not agree.
There are three possibilties with why he may not agree with me, one of them being highly unlikely; And the other one being possible (but also not likely).

Possibility #1. He believes in Eternal Security or a Sin and Still Be Saved Gospel.
This is the belief that no sin can separate a believer from God. You are Once Saved, Always Saved. Once you accepted Christ, you are forever saved no matter what you do. Some in this camp believe that you can sin as much as you want and be saved and others believe you will generally live a holy life but you will not be out of favor with God if you abide in one or two unrepentant sins before you die. The problem with Eternal Security is that it leads a person to think they are immune to sin and it will make them to treat God's grace as a license for immorality (Which is what Jude 1:4 NIV warns us about). This is the most popular belief among Christians. So to assume he believes this is more than likely the case. Could I be wrong? Sure, and I would be willing to apologize. But 9 times out of 10 this is what a person believes when they deny the particular statement that I make.

Possibility #2. He believes in a Sin Cannot Separate You From God Type Belief (That Denies Eternal Security). This is the belief that sin does not separate you from God but you have the free will to walk away from God. Not too many people believe this one, although I have ran into a few that do. So the chances he believes this is slim.

Possibility #3. He appears to believe in Conditional Salvation but still justifies that abiding in one unrepentant sin will not mean you are not saved. Meaning, he appears to be against Eternal Security, but he believes that it takes lots of sin (or practicing a particular sin for a long time) for a believer to no longer be saved anymore (Instead of just one serious unrepentant sin). This group is very rare. I have not run into too many of these types, either. Although they are out there, I have not encountered them often. So this is highly unlikely that he believes this.

Hence, why I have concluded he believes the way he does.
I have been talking against Eternal Security a long time now.
I can practically smell it on a person if they believe in it.
Am I infallible? No.
But in the past, I have predicated successfully many times that a person believes in Eternal Security by the bread crumbs or clues that they give me.

Again, what does this have to do with this thread?

Everything.
Again, the thread topic is trying to justify sin as being okay with God.
That is what Eternal Security proposes, as well.
A belief that is popular in many churches these days.


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[Robienfold Papenfuse]

Did not receive any notice yet;
And I am not afraid of your threats like you are a Moderator of this forum or something.

In any event, may God's peace, and love be upon you.


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I detect a litttle anger in your response Jason and I do not intend to upset you. If you don't recall several people, including myself warned you earlier about your violation. That is what is meant by putting someone on notice.

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

What is the rational explanation about why pornography is wrong?

What is the rational explanation about why pornography is wrong?

As others have said, it very simple. Lust for someone not your heterosexual spouse is wrong, it is sin. Jesus made that clear. No more argument is possible for a real Christian. Pornography is clearly promoting lust. I can come up with many more reasons why pornography is perverted and leads to worse sins, but I think we can simply trust Jesus on this. Non-Christians of course will not accept this and so they will refuse to be convinced, regardless of our rational arguments. That is on them. Bottom line: without faith, you will not believe the truth.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

As I say? Do you not accept the Bible being Gods definitive word? I respect all beliefs but if you said no that would certainly be the first time I have ever heard a Christian say such a thing.

As to your second question absolutely. Acting is separate however. Pornatars are actors and actresses, that is pretty widely know and accepted at this point. The Bible has no restrictions on acting and watching the performance.

Since there appears to be a learning curve for me in relation to understanding the nature of the Bible, perhaps you could elucidate what sexual restrictions the Bible does have? That way I can be sure I don't transgress God's Will.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Why did he use the word pornography in that article?

Sam, I just want to officially apologize if you felt in any way offended for asking you the two questions I did. I meant no offense. It was a miscommunication of the link you sent to me.
I honestly thought you were sending me to a Muslim website (But later found out it was a Christian one - after looking at it again).

Anyways, I hope you understand;
And may God's love, peace, and goodness be upon you this fine day.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I detect a litttle anger in your response Jason and I do not intend to upset you. If you don't recall several people, including myself warned you earlier about your violation. That is what is meant by putting someone on notice.

No anger. But I will be praying for you to see that porn is indeed a very serious sin that can separate a person from God.

As for your threats: I will leave that up to the moderators. I have been talking here a long time. You are new here. So lets see what happens, shall we?

But lets stop with the threats already.
You are being disruptive to thread topic by your attack against me.


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[2PhiloVoid]

Sure send me a private message and I'll explain. I don't want to clog up the thread with off topic discussion. That's a violation of the rules.

No, I'll pass the PM option for now. All I want to know is how do I justify stuffing my 'eyeballs' with as much porn as I'd like to visually consume--which is the main thrust of this OP and thread (excuse the pun!)

So, as I understand you thus far, as a Christian, there is nothing wrong if I purchase or partake of pornographic materials. And since as a child I was already somewhat of 'Playboy' minded individual, how might I work this issue--as it currently stands today in the media--to my advantage so I can find a loop-hole in my understanding of the Bible? That's all I really need to know from you, RP.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I will be praying for you whether you like it or not, my friend.


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[Serving Zion]

Second, God's Word condemns a sin and still be saved doctrine.

Specifically, with severe gravity, described in Hebrews 10:26-31:

For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Notice how the judgement does not come to apply until the one has an accurate knowledge of the truth, as per Hebrews 10:26.. Well, that truth is explained comprehensively in Post #305.

Therefore My people go into exile for their lack of knowledge; And their honorable men are famished, And their multitude is parched with thirst. Therefore Sheol has enlarged its throat and opened its mouth without measure; And Jerusalem's splendor, her multitude, her din of revelry and the jubilant within her, descend into it.
Isaiah 5:13-14

 

[Sammy-San]

I cannot imagine Jesus spending a night in prayer with His Father, and then watching a Disney movie containing partial nudity and witchcraft elements.
It's unholy... which means it's not acceptable to God.

http://www.calledtoholiness.com/writings/christian_apparel.php

The Lord has shown me that, except for the necessary duties of cleanliness and health, we should always be fully clothed. Why? For three reasons. First, because we are never really alone. We are surrounded by both wicked and good spirits at all times and it is a shame for others to see our nakedness. I have no doubt whatsoever that when the angel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary she was fully clothed, even though she was in the privacy of her own chamber.

Second, lounging about in a state of undress or scanty dress leads to a looseness of thought that can never conduce to godliness. True godliness requires a certain dignity of bearing that will never exist under those conditions. Warriors in all civilized countries have always recognized that a captive enemy will be completely degraded and suffer the loss of all his dignity if he is deprived of his clothing. Why? Because that which separates a civilized man from the savage and the beast of the field is the very clothing with which he covers his nakedness. Thus, clothed nakedness is a symbol of accountability.

 

[Rajni]

Wow, y'all have a lot of time on your hands, lol!
I'm amazed this thread is still even open.
Carry on!

 

[Brother Jerry]

Ok so I have read though quite a bit of this and people have asked for scripture that says pornography is bad...but people have fallen short of bringing that.

Repeatedly in the Bible "nakedness" is equated to being shamed and subjected.
Deut 28:48 "therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the Lord sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you."
Isaiah 47:3 "Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered."
Nahum 3:5 "I will lift your skirts over your face. I will show the nations your nakedness and the kingdoms your shame."
Habakkuk 2:16 "You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and let your nakedness be exposed! The cup from the Lord’s right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory."
Revelations 3:18 " I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see."

This stems back to the Garden. Gen 2:25 indicates that God made us naked and not ashamed "were both naked and were not ashamed" Later when they ate of the fruit in Gen 3:7 "and they knew they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves and made themselves loin coverings". Adam even says to God in Gen 3:10 "I was afraid because I was naked"

In Exodus 20:26 "nakedness" was not to be exposed to the altar.
Leviticus 18:8 "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is your father's nakedness"
Leviticus 18:9 "The nakedness of your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether born at home or born outside, their nakedness you shall not uncover"
Leviticus 18 pretty much covers all the angles of not uncovering nakedness for both men and women.

Let's also not forget the story of Ham who saw his drunk father, Noah, passed out naked. Because Ham saw Noah naked he was cursed. Genesis 9:25.

So I think it fairly clear that nudity which would by extension include pornography is not something Christians should be looking at.

That does not even touch the idea that if pornography interferes with your walk with God....then it is bad.

 

[wayfarersoul1978]

first of all thank you for asking this question. I think it fair to say porn in general is about lust and perversion. porn in ancient Greek met to keep women in bondage. First porno movies have believe sex out of marriage is ok. it is a sin and it is wrong. second porn stars are sexual abuse and most do not even like men. Most of these firms show women are objects and fantasy rape. this is never good or moral. always what someone else said above sex out of marriage is wrong and lusting is wrong. were not say if se hot babe and look once or twice, but if thinking about her or him. it is wrong when you make them a object.t sex is for marriage bed and it should be kept there. if help you with marriage aid, I still think it wrong, but some doctors claim it ok. all I know is sex is not bad, but sex as just main goal out of marriage is not of God.if your gonna spank the monkey use lotion and remember it sin. but if best way to releace yourself why not. I am not sure it sin, but if it. just respect yourself in morning.

 

[Galatea]

I have read that studies show that watching pornography actually makes people more stupid. While sex makes people smarter. This would be a rational reason not to substitute voyeurism for the actual experience.

Of course, I am a Christian so believe in sex only in marriage. But you asked for reasons why pornography is wrong divorced from moral or religious arguments.

If something makes one stupid, then rationally, it is not very beneficial.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Let's see how porn destroys a happy marriage. The man says He will try not to watch porn but gets angry and changes His mind because the woman was too tired to have sex or angry because he already lusted after some women and she did not want to have sex. She was upset and sad and He could not ensure Her that He would stay true to Her. So when He felt like He wanted to have sex He masturbated in front of the computer and His emotions grew cold towards His wife. He did not need Her warmth anymore. The insults rained upon her. Fat, ugly, pig, jeallous stupid idiot... she is definitedly none of that, besides she as a christian wife had to live in celibate for centuries while her husband screwed women on computer for hours. If she ever brought up the question of pornfilter He threathen to leave the house and because He was the only one that had a fulltime job she endured. The man even goes to church and helps in church, the woman sometimes too sometimes not because sometimes women to those men think their religin is so false and they sit and cry in church. They are not allowed to speak of that problem or ask for prayer for that specific problem by their husband. But this is everyday situation for a lot of christian women around the world. According to stats more than 99% of all men watch porn and that is still a sin. If Your computer leads you to sin pluck it out. My translation.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Young man Papenfuse, with all respect. I did not think it was that bad either when I was Young unmarried and free of many cares in life. But now I am married and I and at least a hundred more women on the internet seem to have the exact situation of what I have read what they self describe.
Papenfuse how many 11 year old girls do You think needs to be sacrificed and killed to porn every year when the camera shuts down, pumped with beer and thrown in the river to keep the pornaudience happy? If they are left alive they could remember, or report to the police? Porn gets rawer, because the audience crawe more. It is an ugly and criminal, satanic industry. Good night, Ill start my day in this part of the world, with a happy bird outside the window.
Computers have taken over the learning and schooling quite a lot nowaday but our kids watch a kids movie on friday eve, usually some Disney or some biblical kids series. We don´t watch news or so much on the tv. We are a bit after one could say in that aspect. Sometimes I listen to news on the radio in the car but usually it is the same old stuff under the sun. But I learned why I should never buy light white trousers... evidently both Hillary and Donald had brown accidents photoshopped onto their butts. So I buy dark trousers, kids are great with hoaxpics too.

 

[Torino]

I'm late to the topic, but "pornography" in and of itself is not wrong.

"Lust" in the greek is "epithymeo" and means to desire something in the general sense, not even necessarily sexually. Jesus epithymeo'd in Luke 22:15 when he DESIRED to eat the passover with them.

The idea that people think of when they hear the word "lust" isn't even Biblical. The "lust" being condemned in Matthew 5 is when you are desiring another man's wife - a married woman. Desiring a never married woman sexually is not sinful.

So the idea that porn is bad is because it is "lust" is only valid if the pornstar is or has been married before, as in this case you'd probably be sexually desirous of another man's wife who more than likely is committing adultery in the scene (if the man is not her husband).

If the woman is never married, it seems to me she is just a harlot in the Biblical sense and it isn't really an issue unless you become a porn addict. In this case your addiction is the sin and you need to control yourself and order your priorities.

Generally speaking, women like to speak out against porn and harlots because they try to control men (which is the curse of Eve in Genesis 3) through controlling male sexuality. But this is rebellion and witchcraft when women do this, and it is rampant.

 

[Torino]

Excuse the double post, but I thought it was worthy to point out that Sampson was sleeping with the harlot Delilah, and he had the spirit of God upon him which did not leave until Sampson's hair was cut; Hosea married Gomer who was a harlot INSIDE of Israel - which if unlawful would certainly have cost her life, but the only thing the law said was to make sure the whoring didn't get out of control, etc.