Why is pornography wrong?

[RDKirk]

Not looking to justify violence. I am a Biblical Pacifist.
I see your position as justifying sexual immorality (Which is not only condemned in the Bible but it is condemned by our conscience). If porn was truly good, then should we then expose them to it at the earliest age possible? Yet, can parents watch a scene of the crucifixion of Christ with their child nearby? I do not see the problem in that. So you are trying to make porn like it is like violence on TV and it is not the same thing. Sex is something private between a man and woman behind closed doors just for themselves. That is God's ideal model for sex. Violence is only a temporary thing in this world. God will one day have no need for violence anymore after the Judgment. There will be no more death, disease, sickness, etc. on God's new earth.


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Well, at the literal level, one difference between violence in media and pornography is that in pornography we are, indeed, watching the act being truly performed...in media violence we are watching a fake. So maybe we ought to consider the difference between media violence and animated or CGI pornography (which does exist these days).

I think there is a justification for some erotica--when the circumstances for the artificial presentation are spiritually acceptable. I think there is a justification for some violence--when the circumstances for the artificial representation is spiritually acceptable.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.

I need to be able to check off at least one of those criteria, with an understanding that some things that check off several of those criteria might not be "pretty."

"The Passion of the Christ" falls into that category, as would any realistic depiction of many of the stories in Judges. But realistic, unflinching depiction is okay, because the important truth is in the ugliness of its reality. When the point is to reveal the horror of the truth, deliberately falling short of that is lying.

I can imagine that I would not be bothered by an artful representation of the erotica of Song of Songs, either.

 

[Rajni]

An interesting take on the psychology of porn, and where the problem is -- and where it isn't. Continue reading

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, at the literal level, one difference between violence in media and pornography is that in pornography we are, indeed, watching the act being truly performed...in media violence we are watching a fake. So maybe we ought to consider the difference between media violence and animated or CGI pornography (which does exist these days).

I think there is a justification for some erotica--when the circumstances for the artificial presentation are spiritually acceptable. I think there is a justification for some violence--when the circumstances for the artificial representation is spiritually acceptable.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.

I need to be able to check off at least one of those criteria, with an understanding that some things that check off several of those criteria might not be "pretty."

"The Passion of the Christ" falls into that category, as would any realistic depiction of many of the stories in Judges. But realistic, unflinching depiction is okay, because the important truth is in the ugliness of its reality. When the point is to reveal the horror of the truth, deliberately falling short of that is lying.

I can imagine that I would not be bothered by an artful representation of the erotica of Song of Songs, either.

What does ugliness mean in a situation? That word seems vague.

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

The bible says to treat non wives as sisters. Incest would be an abomination.

That is not what the Bible means. Think about that for a second now. If we are to treat non wives as sisters how would we ever get married? If I wanted to take a girl on a date I couldn't because she is not me wife and I would never take my sister on a date! That logic collapses pretty quickly.

 

[Sammy-San]

That is not what the Bible means. Think about that for a second now. If we are to treat non wives as sisters how would we ever get married? If I wanted to take a girl on a date I couldn't because she is not me wife and I would never take my sister on a date! That logic collapses pretty quickly.

It means outside of marriage more than usual intimacy would be perverted.

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

I think that's more what you want it to mean rather than what it actually says brother.

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

It means outside of marriage more than usual intimacy would be perverted.

I think that's more what you want it to mean rather than what it actually says brother.

 

[RDKirk]

I'm not convinced that lust is limited to desiring a married woman.

No, it's not. We had a discussion about that in our teenage boys group this past Sunday.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts

That's not limited to "desiring a married woman." In fact, both Jesus and Paul are quoted as "lusting"--although they're lusting good things, specifically to be with beloved friends again. Yet, if to be with friends was the controlling force of their actions, even that lust would be unrighteous.

"Lust" is merely a physical desire or need. Any physical desire or need--hunger, thirst, comfort, novelty--those are all "lusts." Any lust become a sin for Christians when we give ourselves over to serving it.

"Your master is the one you obey." The commercial says, "Obey your thirst." Well, giving obedience to your physical desires is a sin for Christians, whose obedience belongs to Christ.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Scriptures depict a lot of sexually explicit scenes, stories, descriptions (Song of Solomon etc.), both in the narrative and prophetic books of the Bible. AS far as stories of violence goes; there is more there than almost any TV show or movie you could see. Someone once said that if the Bible were ever filmed literally, it would be XXX rated. Feelings follow thoughts. What thoughts come into your mind when picturing Bathsheba bathing on the roof? How about the person Solomon describes when talking about her breasts and other body parts? What images come to mind when reading about the brothers who spilled their seed on the ground rather than have sex with their dead brother's wife? It's impossible not to have an image of something when it's described to you. "Lusting after" someone involves more than merely finding someone sexually attractive; it involves intent. It basically means that the only thing stopping you from actually committing adultery with someone is the circumstances. Same goes for murder. If the only thing stopping you from killing someone is the fear of going to jail, then you've already murdered them in your heart. If the only thing stopping you from committing adultery is the fear of getting caught, ruining your family, or the fact that the other person would reject you, then you've already committed adultery in your heart. Fantasizing about someone in a porno movie isn't the same thing. There is no expectation to actually have sex with that person unless you are delusional. The real harm in pornography is that is desensitizes a person to the real thing. It takes the special and makes it mundane, It makes someone have to get more and more kinky in order to get aroused and makes real sex boring because a real person can't live up to the fantasy. This can cause a dissatisfaction in relationships. THe same was found true of women who read romance novels or watched a lot of soap operas. They were far more dissatisfied with their husbands than those that didn't because the real guy wasn't ever going to be Fabio, or whoever. That's the problem with porn, IMO.

Comparing the Bible's descriptions of scenes of sex to porn is like comparing a unicycle with a Ferrari. Sorry, they are in no way the same thing. First, there is a huge difference between brief mentions of sexual acts within a book that also strongly emphasizes for us to not partake in sexual sin versus a video that promotes the blatant disregard for God's Commands on sexual immorality. Second, just because God records horrible events in the Bible does not mean God agrees with these sinful things or that He is promoting them in the same way like a porn video (Which is a pure display of depraved sin alone). God's Word has to be read as a whole. The Bible condemns sex outside of marriage. Song of Solomon is a book for those who truly love each other. It is a book to help those who are in marriage and (or for the believer to recognize the love Christ has for His church). it is not a book for the person who thinks of women as sexual objects. The Bible is a book that the Lord uses to help transform a person's life by the working of His Spirit. God is in the life changing business and He desires us to live holy.

We are told in Scripture,

"Do not be captivated by other women."(Proverbs 5:20).

Anyways, see this article here, as well.

If pornography is so bad, why does the Bible give us the Song of Songs? | scottjhiggins.com


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As Christians we have to deal with a lot more temptations than other groups. Righteousness among us really is an issue. Atheists don't have these problems. Then again, neither do dogs.

 

[Sammy-San]

Comparing the Bible's descriptions of scenes of sex to porn is like comparing a unicycle with a Ferrari. Sorry, they are in no way the same thing. Just because God records horrible events in the Bible does not mean God agrees with these sinful things or that He is promoting them in the same way like a porn video (Which is a pure display of depraved sin alone). God's Word has to be read as a whole. The Bible condemns sex outside of marriage. Song of Solomon is a book for those who truly love each other. It is for those who are in marriage and it is not for the person who thinks of women as sexual objects. The Bible is a book that the Lord uses to help transform a person's life by the working of His Spirit. God is in the life changing business and He desires us to live holy.

We are told in Scripture,

"Do not be captivated by other women."(Proverbs 5:20).

Anyways, see this article here, as well.

If pornography is so bad, why does the Bible give us the Song of Songs? | scottjhiggins.com


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So it isn't pornographic or I'm just playing with words? Heaven vs Jannah: Assessing the Dilemma

Since the Gospels are from God according to Muhammad and since they negate the possibility of marriage and sex in Heaven, as well as contradict the Quran on issues such as Jesus' status in heaven, night in Heaven, and, frankly, pornography in Heaven, the Quran must be rejected and abandoned as a later incoherent, inconsistent, incompatible, forgery. Thus Allah of the Quran is not the God of Christians.

 

[Sammy-San]

No, it's not. We had a discussion about that in our teenage boys group this past Sunday.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts

That's not limited to "desiring a married woman." In fact, both Jesus and Paul are quoted as "lusting"--although they're lusting good things, specifically to be with beloved friends again. Yet, if to be with friends was the controlling force of their actions, even that lust would be unrighteous.

"Lust" is merely a physical desire or need. Any physical desire or need--hunger, thirst, comfort, novelty--those are all "lusts." Any lust become a sin for Christians when we give ourselves over to serving it.

"Your master is the one you obey." The commercial says, "Obey your thirst." Well, giving obedience to your physical desires is a sin for Christians, whose obedience belongs to Christ.

Is lust adultrey is the woman is not married?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes revalations is very symbolic. Intercourse itself does not qualify for whoremongering otherwise many of us would be in trouble!

It's Revelation (singular) and not plural.
While Revelation uses symbolism in many places, that does not mean the entire book is symbolism (otherwise it would be reduced to useless background noise with nobody being able to truly understand it). Symbolism in the Bible is defined BY THE BIBLE ITSELF by looking at the context or cross references.

Besides, you really cannot escape this one.
Paul even says,
9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Jesus says,
28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
(Matthew 5:28-30).


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[Bible Highlighter]

So it isn't pornographic or I'm just playing with words? Heaven vs Jannah: Assessing the Dilemma

Did you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you believe Jesus is God?


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[Sammy-San]

Did you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you believe Jesus is God?


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I like to ask a lot of semantics questions. Does that bother you? I'm sorry I went off topic with an irrelevant question.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I like to ask a lot of semantics questions. Does that bother you? I'm sorry I went off topic with an irrelevant question.

Did you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you believe Jesus is God?


Please answer these questions because it will help me to understand how to reply to you from now on.


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[Sammy-San]

Did you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you believe Jesus is God?


Please answer these questions because it will help me to understand how to reply to you from now on.


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Yes.

 

[Rajni]

Did you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you believe Jesus is God?


Please answer these questions because it will help me to understand how to reply to you from now on.


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Be very careful about insinuating that someone is not a Christian if they claim to be. It's against da rulz.

As Christians we have to deal with a lot more temptations than other groups. Righteousness among us really is an issue. Atheists don't have these problems. Then again, neither do dogs.

Neither do crosses.

At any rate, much of the temptation comes from applying the "forbidden fruit factor" to them. Reverse psychology at its finest, and with the unintended consequence of making things worse, like attempting to douse a fire with gasoline. Yay Religion!!

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

It's Revelation (singular) and not plural.
While Revelation uses symbolism in many places, that does not mean the entire book is symbolism (otherwise it would be reduced to useless background noise with nobody being able to truly understand it). Symbolism in the Bible is defined BY THE BIBLE ITSELF by looking at the context or cross references.

Besides, you really cannot escape this one.
Paul even says,
9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Jesus says,
28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
(Matthew 5:28-30).


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Yeah just a typo bud, but hey if it helps a persons insecurities I'm all for it.

The quote from Paul says that sinners will not enter into Gods kingdom which we know is not true, you can always repent. But I think your missing the point here. No one is saying those things aren't sins, the real debate is whether or not porn qualifies as one of those sins which it certainly does not! Sex is natural and created by God. No Biblical restrictions on filming or watching.

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

Yes.

Don't respond to that Sam. He is technically violating the rules. He is losing the debate and resorts to personal attacks when that happens. He has done it many times on other threads as well. Best thing you can do is report.