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God does have a relationship with us. But the persona of God that the Bible describe are not simply different names or titles according to the particular relationship we are speaking of--like we might say you are a man but also you are a citizen. The Triune nature of God, according to Scripture, is not just that. It comes close and it makes it easier for us to think of God in that way, but the triune nature is more than just one God changing hats. You cannot read all the references to the Son or the Holy Ghost and come away thinking this is all that it means.You said of God having three different relationship with us.
If these aren't relationships with us his creation, then with whom are these relationships with?
Yikes. Then you are advocating for three gods? Or perhaps that God is a committee of separate beings?
God does have a relationship with us. But the persona of God that the Bible describe are not simply different names or titles according to the particular relationship we are speaking of--like we might say you are a man but also you are a citizen. The Triune nature of God, according to Scripture, is not just that. It comes close and it makes it easier for us to think of God in that way, but the triune nature is more than just one God changing hats. You cannot read all the references to the Son or the Holy Ghost and come away thinking this is all that it means.
On our adoption spiritual papers doesn't it have the relationship of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit stamped on them as a trinity seal for us to be called the sons of God and be in relationship with the three.
This is not a trick question ok, are not all three dwelling in us?
Simple reflection is required. The fullness of God is dwelling in his temple that he builds with his own hands, how are we not in relationship with all three, if God says that I will dwell in them. If the three are the one God and God says his dwelling place will be in the believers, then the trinity lives in us.
There is no twisting and turning here either there is inclusion of the trinity in the believer or an exclusion, so which one is it?
I'm not confused. You are here on the "Controversial Theology" forum precisely because your interpretation of the nature of God is unorthodox, controversial, unconventional, and therefore not allowed on the usual Christian forums.I know who God is. It seems that you are confused, just trying to help you understand what confuses you.
In other words, a modified version of Modalism or Monarchianism? Sounds a lot like the idea that was popularized in modern times by Herbert W. Armstrong. Would that be correct to say, do you think?I never mentioned one God changing hats, that is plain modalism. Maybe you haven't read my earlier posts or have me confused with another poster but I have one God revealing himself as two relationships and that one personal God who is the infinite Holy Spirit is both the Father and The Son to his creation. Both the Father and the Son were there at the inception of the world.
Verses:
John 17:21-22
that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one"
JESUS
Matthew 6:9-13
Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 8:19
Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
HOLY SPIRIT
John 14:16-17
“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him for he dwells with you and will be in you.”
John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.”
John 16:8-11
“And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.”
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 14:23
Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
In other words, a modified version of Modalism or Monarchianism?
In a word, no. However, it's interesting to read all these theories. BTW, you'd think a lot more Christians would agree with you if it is all that simple, wouldn't you?Can you see how the infinite Holy Ghost can be both these relationships and speak from both of them distinctly as if they are two persons, but in reality they are not two persons but the Holy Ghost speaking as the Father and also as the Son.
You don't have to use the word, but you ought to take account of the fact that your theory or something close to it was considered way, way back in early Christian history and found to be unBiblical. Maybe that should suggest looking into what was discussed by the two sides back then and why the decision came down as it did.That is a new term to me, I would stick with simple question and answers and leave out the labels because they tend to deflect the dialogue.
Frankly, I think that's entirely unrelated to the issue here. "Dwelling in you" is not the issue; the nature of the God you want us to know is dwelling in the believer is the subject.Either you believe the trinity is dwelling in you or you don't?
In a word, no. However, it's interesting to read all these theories. BTW, you'd think a lot more Christians would agree with you if it is all that simple, wouldn't you?
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
COLOSSIANS 1:15 NLT
That's the usual response whenever someone is promoting a theory that's from way out in left field. But look at it seriously. If the "answer" to this were as cut and dried or simple as you are saying, you wouldn't be almost alone in thinking it. In fact, as has been shown to you, it HAS been thought of before--long before--and dismissed as erroneous.Truth doesn't come by masses.
Well, all these rationalizations and speculations that people come up with are interesting. Otherwise, none of us would be here on CF, would we?I take it as a compliment that you said it is an interesting theory
You don't have to use the word, but you ought to take account of the fact that your theory or something close to it was considered way, way back in early Christian history and found to be unBiblical. Maybe that should suggest looking into what was discussed by the two sides back then and why the decision came down as it did.
Frankly, I think that's entirely unrelated to the issue here. "Dwelling in you" is not the issue; the nature of the God you want us to know is dwelling in the believer is the subject.
Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
It is totally related when I asked if the fullness of the Godhead dwells in the believer. Because God said he will dwell in his temple, therefore you would either have inclusion of the trinity in the believer or exclusion. When there is exclusion then that points to only one relationship dwelling in his temple while the others are not. What would that mean?
It would mean that you can't have God saying I will dwell in my spiritual temple to only have one member of his Godhead dwelling, therefore if all three are dwelling then the Holy Ghost is the Father and the Son.
Give us the verse you are thinking of.The apostles certainly thought so according to their statements mentioning that the Holy Ghost purchased us with his own blood. Off course he can only take credit for it because the Holy Ghost by relationship to his creation is the Son who suffered.
I don't think that changes much.The church that you are pointing to is the denomination I belong to from birth.
Maybe you should make this clear to other posters and not simply identify yourself as "Christian?" Just a thought.This church certainly was dismissed and called Nestorian
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