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Why is it OK to indoctrinate children?

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Just_a_Joe

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Thank you. Great post. Learning is in no way the only and sufficient prerequisite for an experience. There is of course a lot more to it. But learning is the necessary first step.

Absolute objective truth? There is no such thing to us in practice, I agree. I didn't go as far as try and figure out the objective truth - a claim too high for a human.

My context was modest, within this topic. The discussion started from my suggestion that it is not good to indoctrinate children in anything because there are alternative ideologies, which are equally deserving of knowing and considering.
 
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Humans existed for a long time before the year 33 A.D., and even today there are regions in the world where people never hear much if at all about Jesus Christ or Him being the way.
 
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It's fairly obvious that some people in this thread are not here to learn about God or His Word. Their eyes are blinded and their hearts are hardened to the things of God. Instead, they are here to mock God, His Word, and His Children. Many Christians are trying to help them, but this is instead a matter of entertainment. Regardless, God is pleased with the effort of His Children, and we know that God's Word never returns to Him void. It always accomplishes His Will and Purpose. Others are reading this thread who may have better motives.

In the meantime, loving Christian parents will continue to raise their children in the ways of the Lord. May God lead and guide us all in our efforts. I'm reminded of a beautiful portion of Scripture that applies here: 1 Corinthians 2:9-16.
 
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You know I here this a lot. Please give me an example you have experienced with a Christian treating you like excrement.
 
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Being God in the flesh, Jesus did have supernatural abilities. He spent 40 days fasting in the wilderness. He walked on water. Etc.
Yes he did but the scriptures do,indicate he suffered. It's interesting that you zero on that rather than on the rest of,what I said.
 
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Humans existed for a long time before the year 33 A.D., and even today there are regions in the world where people never hear much if at all about Jesus Christ or Him being the way.
Yes, I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. Sorry.
 
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Yes, I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. Sorry.

You said that all Christians agree that Jesus is the only way to heaven, so children must be taught as much. How about the majority of the world's population who for whatever reason did not learn about it at all?

For the longest time in human history, and even in many places today, the main religious ideology has been animism.
 
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Yes he did but the scriptures do,indicate he suffered. It's interesting that you zero on that rather than on the rest of,what I said.

Well, I did not intend to argue. You interstand it one way. Other people have other views. And they are sincere. What's true to you isn't necessarily true to others.
 
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You know I here this a lot. Please give me an example you have experienced with a Christian treating you like excrement.

All over this forum to start. Go look at the LBGT threads...what your fellow religionists say about LBGT people, liberals, democrats, Muslims...I've never seen a bigger bunch of self-righteous luddites in my life.
 
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I am not going to reply candidly here because I don't think you would like what I would have to say.

May God bless you.
And may His love shine upon you.

Moving on.


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Knock yourself out...

 
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To return to the OP - and my last post in this thread. I was raised in a very secular country by parents both university professors. They were mostly atheist, with only formal nominal religiosity to fit in a social occasion. They never indoctrinated me in anything. But we had a million books in our home, which I all read. On a large variety of subjects. Nobody ever taught me about any religion, in theory or in practice. Even my extremely religious grandma, she never forced faith on me. I did enjoy listening to her interesting stories from her long life though. Throughout my upbringing, what was emphasized, was your responsibility for yourself, honesty, care about other people and considering everybody as equals.

In short, I had zero indoctrination from family or society. This allowed me to look at all ideologies equally as an adult, and to form my knowledge and worldview independently, without external pressures.

I see good and bad both in religion or non-religious ideologies. Nothing is perfect. As somebody stated, they are so happy they were brought up as Christian, to this I personally can reply, I am happy I was raised being allowed to be myself. I love this freedom.
 
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The tone of this thread was never all that wonderful, but it has got very much worse in the last page or so. I certainly don't want to read any more of this tosh.

I hope it is moderated soon.
 
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You realize that it's almost impossible to take Proverbs out of context since it's mostly one-liners that have nothing to do with the verse before or after, right?
 
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Good question. As a philosopher (and a former teacher for a short stint) I would tell my child to dig deeper into finding an answer, and I would suggest starting by collecting a survey of various positions on the topic that attempt to address the question, both pro and con, and of various positions in between. It's just basic Lit Review type research, really.

I'm sorry to hear that you're parents have been a bit "stiff" around the collar in the way they handle their religious views, particularly in the way they 'delivered it all unto you.' As for myself, I fortunately (or unfortunately) came from a family that was much more moderate; I remember watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos series with my dad when it first ran back in the early 80's. Surprisingly, talks about religion or the Bible had about a nil frequency in our household, although we did occasionally darken the halls and pews of the local liberal church, mostly at my poor mother's prompting. That was the kind of upbringing I had.

From the sound of your description, I'd say that I'm in agreement with your understanding as to what constitutes indoctrination, and with the extent to which it is distinct from the nature and processes of actual education. My Masters was in 'education,' so I think I'm on the up and up when it comes to avoiding the indoctrination of my kid. Nevertheless, I do teach the Bible in my house on a frequent basis; we read it together and I give exposition.

Peace
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NO! A true Christian treats people the way God wants a Christian to treat others. It's a sin to do unto others as you would not want them to do unto you.
 
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NO! A true Christian treats people the way God wants a Christian to treat others. It's a sin to do unto others as you would not want them to do unto you.

In theory, yes. In reality, no. And a true Christian, someone who actually does treat others as they want to be treated, is the exception and not the rule. I have no doubt whatsoever about that, knowing the devastating effects of cultural genocide on Native American children and adults at the hands of Christians. And please do not fall back on the No True Scotsman to excuse the behavior of these Christians or their attempts to stomp out anything remotely Indigenous out of countless Native American children.
 
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Jesus says to love, pray, and do good towards your enemies.

Anyways, may God bless you.
And please be well.


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Uh, so are you saying that RedPonyDriver is your enemy?
 
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