Why is it Cool to vote for Obama?

[Sketcher]

why is it that the pro gun mob seem to think we actually want only 'law abiding citizens' disarmed.......we want EVERYONE to be disarmed, even the rapists! wow! Yes illeagal guns will exist for a short while. but if the police are on the ball, these will decrease.

In other words, if we lived in a perfect police state. Because that's what it would take, China-like authoritarianism.

The gun buy back system that happened in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre (we learn from our mistakes, not blindly repeat them year after year) was a massive success and there was no bloodbath or rapist rampage that happened once the citizens were 'dissarmed'.

Who says it would work here? Revolution and the right to bear arms are at the very core of our national culture. There wouldn't be a successful buy-back program, there would be a revolt.

America has so much of its own blood on its hands from its worship of an antiqudated, outdated and now irrlevent consitution. Its ok for a society to change its laws once they stop working and become obsolete. you donth have to do what some 400 year old dead dudes tell you to do. Come up with some new laws for a new world, instead of clinging dearly to the middle ages.

Middle Ages? Hah. Get your history right.

The liberties provided in the Constitution are a large part of why we are such a successful country and why people have wanted to move here and live here as long as we have existed as a country. The Constitution can be amended, and there is a legal process for doing so. We should know, we have 27 of them. Know why we still have that Second Amendment? Because most people (rightly) don't want to get rid of it. We still have something called the will of the people in this country. I don't care to get rid of it.

 

[RosaVernal]

Yeah, the will of the people to do what they're told.

But yeah, someone call me when the 2nd Amendment is actually enforced; I've always had a hankering to go buy a RPG and some full-auto assault rifles.

 

[Followers4christ]

Appeasing rouge states? what like Israel? a country with a nuclear stockpile (which is undeclared) who belive in pre-emptive strikes against neighbours which are not agressive towards them and the targeting of civilians?

Today, anti-Semitism is a global epidemic. For example, of over 700 General Assembly resolutions passed since the establishment of the United Nations in 1945, nearly 450 condemn Israel. None have been passed against any Arab country nor any Arab terrorist organizations! In other words, out of 190 nations in the UN, over 60% of all General Assembly resolutions rebuke just one member, Israel!

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/AntiSemi/10498.htm

http://www.aish.com/societyWork/society/The_Cancer_of_Anti-Semitism_in_Europe.asp

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/22/1087844941223.html?onclick=true

Many rouge states like Iran,Iraq and pakistan have stated they do not recognize Israel and would love to see it wiped off the map.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Today, anti-Semitism is a global epidemic. For example, of over 700 General Assembly resolutions passed since the establishment of the United Nations in 1945, nearly 450 condemn Israel. None have been passed against any Arab country nor any Arab terrorist organizations! In other words, out of 190 nations in the UN, over 60% of all General Assembly resolutions rebuke just one member, Israel!

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/AntiSemi/10498.htm

http://www.aish.com/societyWork/society/The_Cancer_of_Anti-Semitism_in_Europe.asp

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/22/1087844941223.html?onclick=true

Many rouge states like Iran,Iraq and pakistan have stated they do not recognize Israel and would love to see it wiped off the map.

fail.

being called anti-sematic for disliking Israeli's actions is on par with being called anti-German for disliking what the Nazi's did. its nothing about race or religion, its about how they go out of their way to kill civilains and illegally invade their neighbours land (as documented by Amnesty International)

Setting up Israel in the middle east was one of the biggest mistakes of the 20th century. It was done out of the allies guilt of not doing enough to stop the holocaust. If the Americans were so keen, they should have set it up in their own back yard, not invade another nation and displace a bunch of innocent people in doing so. Two wrongs dont make a right.

 

[charlie_hunter]

What works in one culture won't necessarily work in another. Oh, and also, judging a culture by your culture's standards is called ethnocentrism. Every country is guilty of it. Some Brits think their culture is better off than [insert country here] and think they should abide by their standards, some Aussies think their culture is better off than [insert country here] and think they should abide by their standards, some Americans think their culture is better off than [insert country here] and think they should abide by their standards, etc. I could go on and on.

Hey, if gun control works in your country, then awesome. Good for you. However, that doesn't make it right or your right to tell people in another country that their ways are wrong and they should adapt to your ways. Not everyone in America is gung-ho about pushing their values on other people. As an American, I wish we would just back off of other countries, as unrealistic as it sounds, and I wish other countries would treat us with the same regard, again, as unrealistic as it sounds.

I swear, I think Sociology should be a requirement in grade school for this reason, to curb some of this elitism in a lot of people, that their way is the only way and that everyone should abide by their ways. Obviously we can't just get along. \:

this is actually a really good post and i think you point out a lot of truths that have not been metioned.

i can see where you are comming from when you say that different things work for different countries. i agree with that. but i also believe that human rights transend borders and governments. The right to exist in a peaceful, unarmed society must be taken seriously.

When cyclone Tracy hit Darwin and wiped out 90% of that cities buildings, the citizens didnt go crazy and start looting and killing each other to the same degree that happened after Katrina. Same event, different reaction.

prehaps implimenting gun control in America in the exact same way it was done in the UK and Australia would lead to the crazies rising up and trying to shoot all the police or something. Didnt happen here, but i can see how that might happen in America. In that case, the question is, how you address and change a culture that worships violence? That see's their neighbours as murders and rapists (which is why people own guns in the first place)? prehaps the first step to peace, dissarmament and the lowering of the death toll and suffereing (which is what this is really about) is this culture being addressed.

 

[Sketcher]

i can see where you are comming from when you say that different things work for different countries. i agree with that. but i also believe that human rights transend borders and governments. The right to exist in a peaceful, unarmed society must be taken seriously.

That won't happen until Christ returns. So in the meantime, the good people should have the right to arm themselves to protect them from the bad people.

When cyclone Tracy hit Darwin and wiped out 90% of that cities buildings, the citizens didnt go crazy and start looting and killing each other to the same degree that happened after Katrina. Same event, different reaction.

When Texas was hit by Katrina, you didn't see looting either. And that state is home to one of the biggest gun cultures in the whole US.

"U Loot, We Shoot!"

In that case, the question is, how you address and change a culture that worships violence? That see's their neighbours as murders and rapists (which is why people own guns in the first place)?

I really think if people would spend more time sport shooting and watching less movies, it would be a step in the right direction. If you've ever been camping, you learn respect for fire. You use it, you're exposed to it, you know what it can do to somebody if it's out of control, etc. When you learn to shoot, you learn similar respect for the gun. Hunter's safety classes are about SAFETY and shooting. They teach responsibility with the firearm, and at the end, you actually get to shoot. Similarly, when I went to the range with my friend, and shot his AK-47 and his dad's .357 Detective Special, I had this sense of respect for the firepower in my hands. This is something that can really hurt somebody if you don't have the discipline and respect for life and control of the weapon that you need to have. Knowing what those kinds of bullets can do to a person, I don't want to point it at a person. It's similar to the concept that martial artists have, the more you grow in that martial art, the less you actually want to fight somebody. Choosing to turn the other cheek because you know if you don't, somebody else WILL be going to the hospital, and you don't want that.

 

[Followers4christ]

Setting up Israel in the middle east was one of the biggest mistakes of the 20th century. It was done out of the allies guilt of not doing enough to stop the holocaust. If the Americans were so keen, they should have set it up in their own back yard, not invade another nation and displace a bunch of innocent people in doing so. Two wrongs dont make a right.

If you wish to cast blame at someone for setting Israel in the middle east blame God.For God gave that land to Abraham through his son Issac (Genesis 15:13-18,Numbers 35:1-15).Abraham's son Issac claimed the land that was promised by God to his father Abraham (Deuteronomy 1:6-8).Anyway for in indepth look at the biblical history of the nation of Israel please check out this site http://www.allabouttruth.org/history-of-israel.htm


Israel also plays a huge role in end time prophecy.Here is a short list:

The returning Jews would come from the north, south, east, and west (Isaiah 43:5-6; Jeremiah 31:7-10,Ezekiel 37:21). Amazingly, nearly a million Jews have emigrated from Russia in the north. Over 90,000 Ethiopian Jews have emigrated from the south (Zephaniah 3:10). Since 1948, Jews have emigrated from Europe, Asia, the Americas, everywhere!

Israel would be invincible (Zechariah 12:6-9). Since 1948, tiny Israel has been attacked in three major wars and six lesser wars, yet despite being vastly outnumbered, they have defeated all attacking foes. Even during the final battle, when it looks like Israel will be destroyed, the Lord shall deliver her. (Jeremiah 30:3-7; Zechariah 14; Mark 13:14-20). An invincible Israel makes no sense unless you believe God's Word.

Israel would prosper economically (Ezekiel 38:12-13). Amazingly, this recently regathered, tiny nation exported over 30 billion dollars worth of goods in 2004. In contrast, their neighbor Jordan exported less than 3 billion in 2004. This was inconceivable just a few decades ago!

 

[charlie_hunter]

If you wish to cast blame at someone for setting Israel in the middle east blame God.For God gave that land to Abraham through his son Issac (Genesis 15:13-18,Numbers 35:1-15).Abraham's son Issac claimed the land that was promised by God to his father Abraham (Deuteronomy 1:6-8).Anyway for in indepth look at the biblical history of the nation of Israel please check out this site http://www.allabouttruth.org/history-of-israel.htm


Israel also plays a huge role in end time prophecy.Here is a short list:

The returning Jews would come from the north, south, east, and west (Isaiah 43:5-6; Jeremiah 31:7-10,Ezekiel 37:21). Amazingly, nearly a million Jews have emigrated from Russia in the north. Over 90,000 Ethiopian Jews have emigrated from the south (Zephaniah 3:10). Since 1948, Jews have emigrated from Europe, Asia, the Americas, everywhere!

Israel would be invincible (Zechariah 12:6-9). Since 1948, tiny Israel has been attacked in three major wars and six lesser wars, yet despite being vastly outnumbered, they have defeated all attacking foes. Even during the final battle, when it looks like Israel will be destroyed, the Lord shall deliver her. (Jeremiah 30:3-7; Zechariah 14; Mark 13:14-20). An invincible Israel makes no sense unless you believe God's Word.

Israel would prosper economically (Ezekiel 38:12-13). Amazingly, this recently regathered, tiny nation exported over 30 billion dollars worth of goods in 2004. In contrast, their neighbor Jordan exported less than 3 billion in 2004. This was inconceivable just a few decades ago!

The Jewish deny the divinity of Christ infact, they dont even consider him to be a prophet (as their crietra for being a prophet states that the prophet would not change (or as we Christians see it as, complete) God's laws, which Jesus did....the eating of any foods and healing on Sunday is a good example). The Islamic faith sees Jesus as being a prophet, a messanger of God, but not the messiah. So the Muslims are actually closer to the mark about Jesus then the Jewish are!!! they at least think he was a messanger of God, not some random guy.

God did deliver the Jewish into the promise land, that promise land is Jesus. But some Jews expected a sword a physical temple (salvation is the temple) and an uprising. God had something different in mind.

Israel as we now know it is nothing special, it deserves no special treatment and to finish off, i'd like to see how you'd react if you were taken from your home and the place where your ancestors lived for the past 1400 years, at gunpoint and dumped outside your own country. Lets see how you'd react then?

 

[justagirl08]

Charlie,

Again, you speak out of turn. Israel is still God's Chosen People. He did not break the convenant. Israel was also a country before the uspers came in. Please read your history.

No, the Muslims are not closer to the mark, as you say. Their god is not the God of the Bible, no matter how much some would like to think that.

J

 

[justagirl08]

That won't happen until Christ returns. So in the meantime, the good people should have the right to arm themselves to protect them from the bad people.


When Texas was hit by Katrina, you didn't see looting either. And that state is home to one of the biggest gun cultures in the whole US.

"U Loot, We Shoot!"


I really think if people would spend more time sport shooting and watching less movies, it would be a step in the right direction. If you've ever been camping, you learn respect for fire. You use it, you're exposed to it, you know what it can do to somebody if it's out of control, etc. When you learn to shoot, you learn similar respect for the gun. Hunter's safety classes are about SAFETY and shooting. They teach responsibility with the firearm, and at the end, you actually get to shoot. Similarly, when I went to the range with my friend, and shot his AK-47 and his dad's .357 Detective Special, I had this sense of respect for the firepower in my hands. This is something that can really hurt somebody if you don't have the discipline and respect for life and control of the weapon that you need to have. Knowing what those kinds of bullets can do to a person, I don't want to point it at a person. It's similar to the concept that martial artists have, the more you grow in that martial art, the less you actually want to fight somebody. Choosing to turn the other cheek because you know if you don't, somebody else WILL be going to the hospital, and you don't want that.

Twisted,

Houston is not looting on the same level as New Orleans was. I will not boast there is no looting but it is not wide spread. In fact it is centralized to the hardest hit areas,where I believe food and water is no where to be found. Yes, you are correct. You do not see Texans pulling guns. You do see the police doing their job.

J

 

[Blackguard_]

That see's their neighbours as murders and rapists (which is why people own guns in the first place)?

Why do you want guns forbidden to your neighbors if you do not see them as murderers and rapists?

Obama, and the rest of these liberal anti-gun Politicians don't have to worry about that, they got people with guns protecting them and their family, but yet they are against it for the average citizen who doesn't have the luxury of the Secret Service...

Exactly. Gun bans are based on Elitism. It's not just hypocritical politicians, but the idea only the State and those in it's employ have any real right to self defense.

why is it that the pro gun mob seem to think we actually want only 'law abiding citizens' disarmed.......we want EVERYONE to be disarmed, even the rapists! .

Everyone... except the police, military and bodyguards of State elite, eh Chuck?

 

[GQ Chris]

Its cool that the Clinton's biggest fundraiser will not support Obama!! excellent, she basically said that Obama is way too far to the Left and that is NOT good. What a wise lady.

 

[GQ Chris]

Top Clinton fundraiser backs McCain over Obama
By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer Ann Sanner, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 17, 7:58 pm ET

WASHINGTON – A top Hillary Rodham Clinton fundraiser threw her support behind Republican John McCain on Wednesday, saying he will lead the country in a centrist fashion and accusing the Democrats of becoming too extreme.

"I believe that Barack Obama, with MoveOn.org and Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean, has taken the Democratic Party — and they will continue to — too far to the left," Lynn Forester de Rothschild said. "I'm not comfortable there."

Rothschild is also a member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee. She said she would be stepping down from her position on the committee but will not switch political parties.

Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said in an e-mail that the New York senator disagrees with Rothschild's decision to endorse McCain.

"Senator Clinton has been criss-crossing the country and doing whatever she can to make the very clear case that the Obama-Biden ticket represents the new ideas and positive change we need right now, and the McCain-Palin ticket does not," Strand said in the e-mail.

Rothschild said she was excited by the prospect of a woman being in the White House, even though she and Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin disagree on issues. The Alaska governor opposes abortion except in the case of a threat to the mother's life. Rothschild said she supports abortion rights.

"I believe that the McCain-Palin government will be a centrist government," Rothschild said. "It's not going to be an ideological government."

Rothschild is a member of the DNC's Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York. She was one of Clinton's top fundraisers, bringing in more than $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild.

Rothschild said she has not discussed her support for McCain with Clinton.

"I'm sure she is not pleased with what I'm doing today," she said. "But you know what? I have to do what I believe in."

 

[WiseDonkey]

hah.. guess she doesn't believe in "change"

is $100000 a lot of money for a campaign?? doesn't seem that much to be honest

 

[Tinkerbell33]

because that's at the Heart of Liberal thinking... they benefit the Home Invader, or the Terrorist, they don't care about the Safety of the law abiding Citizen.

Hmm....well that does not describe me at all.

 

[GQ Chris]

Hmm....well that does not describe me at all.

But that is what the liberal philosophy is on Guns. They are Bad, always BAD *GASP**

 

[justagirl08]

But that is what the liberal philosophy is on Guns. They are Bad, always BAD *GASP**

Chris,

I would agree with your statement.

J

 

[deliciousBass]

Haha. I got this from a co-worker (you have to understand, I am in DC which is overwhelmingly for Obama lol):



You are The Boss... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar,
all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures,
etc. etc., this is an ***unusually critical*** election year.

Let's look at the educational background of your two options:

Obama:
OccidentalCollege - Two years.
ColumbiaUniversity - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
SyracuseUniversityCollege of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism
(verified through Anchorage Daily News adn.com 1981-1987. 5 schools in 6 years!


PLEASE THIS ON TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS
Now, which team are you going to "hire" ?

 

[deliciousBass]

I have to admit.. if I was an employer, I think I'd pick the first team

 

[CoachR64]

If an employer picks someone based solely on the pieces of paper they hold, specifically when the person has been in the field for years, instead of looking at their experience and their achievements in the field, that employer is going to fail at business.

Bill Gates was a college drop out.

Anyways, in honor of Obama, I went out and bought a new gun last night. It is sweet.

Coach