Why is it Cool to vote for Obama?

[swtldy622]

Good luck Obama, you do not stand for absolute good, but you're sure as heck not as bad as the other guy..........

Translation, they both suck, but let's pick the one who sucks the least, lol.

 

[deliciousBass]

Translation, they both suck, but let's pick the one who sucks the least, lol.

pretty much...

 

[* kittie *]

rational? you seem to be the most biased out of everyone. haha Ironic

 

[Im_A]

I seriously don't get this, is it because he's not a White Man like McCain? Is it because voting for Obama is a political statement of "sticking it to the man" in Politics? Is it because MTV endorses him? Or his Hollywood supporters?

i didn't know it was cool to vote for Obama.

i don't know who i'll vote for. both canidates i'm not convinced of yet. so i may just skip voting day to get in another day of golfing before snow comes. i don't talk much about politics anyways. this will give me more reason to keep my mouth shut about politics and the importance to me is clearly shown.

i may need to do more research as well which i'll gladly admit to that. i'm just type of guy that i don't like being teased. and until i can convince myself that neither canidate is trying to teasing us to get their votes based upon the travesty of 911, and Bush's administration as being the pivatol push to get votes, then i'll gladly go into political nausea and take my antioxidant which will be golf on the day to vote and do my norm, keep my mouth shut about politics. these past 8 years, no matter how much i try to respect Bush because i'm not in his shoes, has made me numb to the importance of politics and hopes for bigger change than just a different political party at times.

all i care about is, our economy gets better, our healthcare system gets better for those who need it, our social security and retirement gets better, and get our brave men and women home. any canidate that proposes a way to get that done, will have my support. if the canidates continue worrying about their biography or things that mean nothing to running our nation, things like abortion, religious views, i'll sit back and wait for the man or woman that stands for the things i stand for.

 

[GQ Chris]

A couple of stories:

Obama supports the gun ban in the nation's capital, saying the "DC handgun law is constitutional." And he is opposed to people using guns for self-defense, when those guns are owned in localities like Washington, DC and Chicago where firearms are banned.

From a NRA article-

Illinois resident Hale DeMar was prosecuted by the town of Wilmette for using a handgun in his home to defend his family in 2003. Because Wilmette had imposed a ban on the possession of handguns, several Illinois state legislators introduced SB 2165 to protect the right of self-defense for residents like DeMar.

True to form, Obama voted against the pro-gun legislation.

It is very telling that Obama moved further to the left than most of the liberal legislators in his state. The self-defense bill protecting gun owners like DeMar passed the state senate 41-16 and was later enacted into law over the governor's veto (and over Obama's opposition).

The concealed carry of firearms is another important issue for gun owners, and yet Obama is not only opposed to citizens carrying guns, he supports using federal laws to override those states which currently allow the practice.

In 2004, Obama said he supports a national ban on concealed carry because the states that allow it are "threatening the safety of Illinois residents." Never mind the fact that concealed carry laws have improved the safety of citizens in the states that have enacted such laws.

Obama has also taken a strong position in favor of the Clinton semi-auto ban which sunset in 2004. "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law," Obama said.

Well, there's nothing that's "common sense" about the Clinton ban. Not only did it outlaw almost 200 types of firearms, legislators like Senator Chuck Schumer of New York tried to amend the law (before it sunset) to include additional types of semi-autos -- even banning classic (wood-stock) long guns such as the Remington shotgun which Senator John Kerry received as a gift during his 2004 presidential bid.


And:

Live birth abortions:

One form of abortion that even many “pro choice” supports find particularly heinous is a form of abortion known as ‘induced labor abortion’ (AKA “live birth abortion&#8221. In this particular procedure a doctor does not attempt to kill the baby in the uterus. The goal is simply to deliver the baby prematurely who then dies during the birth process or soon afterward, sometimes taking hours and in at least one case it took 8 hours for the baby to die.

Jill Stanek was a registered nurse in the Labor and Delivery Department at a hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois. She testified in front of the Illinois state senate stating:

One night, a nursing co-worker was taking a Down’s syndrome baby who was aborted alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have time to hold him. I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived--After he was pronounced dead, we folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where all of our dead patients are taken.

Another nurse from the same hospital also testified with Stanek in Washington. She described walking into the Soiled Utility Room on two separate occasions to find live aborted babies left naked on a scale and the metal counter. She testified about a staff worker who accidentally threw a live aborted baby in the garbage. The baby had been left on the counter of the Soiled Utility Room wrapped in a disposable towel. When a coworker realized what she had done, she started going through the trash to find the baby, and the baby fell out of the towel and onto the floor.

It is Ironic that in the state of Illinois by law requires that if an aborted baby is born alive, both birth and death certificates must be issued- an aborted baby given a birth certificate and then allowed to die intentionally?

Barrack Obama was in attendance as a senator when Jill Stanek testified and yet he remained unfazed and on three separate occasions he voted against a bill that would stop this practice of killing living babies.

When Obama was asked at what point a baby is deserving of human rights, Obama responded, “Well, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”

Maybe the presidency is above his pay grade too.
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[nataliexcore]

Live birth abortions:

One form of abortion that even many “pro choice” supports find particularly heinous is a form of abortion known as ‘induced labor abortion’ (AKA “live birth abortion”). In this particular procedure a doctor does not attempt to kill the baby in the uterus. The goal is simply to deliver the baby prematurely who then dies during the birth process or soon afterward, sometimes taking hours and in at least one case it took 8 hours for the baby to die.

Jill Stanek was a registered nurse in the Labor and Delivery Department at a hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois. She testified in front of the Illinois state senate stating:

One night, a nursing co-worker was taking a Down’s syndrome baby who was aborted alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have time to hold him. I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived--After he was pronounced dead, we folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where all of our dead patients are taken.

Another nurse from the same hospital also testified with Stanek in Washington. She described walking into the Soiled Utility Room on two separate occasions to find live aborted babies left naked on a scale and the metal counter. She testified about a staff worker who accidentally threw a live aborted baby in the garbage. The baby had been left on the counter of the Soiled Utility Room wrapped in a disposable towel. When a coworker realized what she had done, she started going through the trash to find the baby, and the baby fell out of the towel and onto the floor.

It is Ironic that in the state of Illinois by law requires that if an aborted baby is born alive, both birth and death certificates must be issued- an aborted baby given a birth certificate and then allowed to die intentionally?

Barrack Obama was in attendance as a senator when Jill Stanek testified and yet he remained unfazed and on three separate occasions he voted against a bill that would stop this practice of killing living babies.

When Obama was asked at what point a baby is deserving of human rights, Obama responded, “Well, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”

Maybe the presidency is above his pay grade too.
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i saw that on the news. it literally makes me sick to my stomach.


and i think it's "cool" to vote for obama because obama is different than the norn. it's always middle aged white men running for president (generally).

however, and this is just my personal opinion, i dont think he'll win because he needs a fat chunk of young people to vote for him to win. and i don't think he'll stir up enough interest to actually get young people to register OR show up to the polls.

people underestimate the laziness of our youth. (keep in mind i've already registered to vote myself )

 

[GQ Chris]

i saw that on the news. it literally makes me sick to my stomach.


and i think it's "cool" to vote for obama because obama is different than the norn. it's always middle aged white men running for president (generally).

however, and this is just my personal opinion, i dont think he'll win because he needs a fat chunk of young people to vote for him to win. and i don't think he'll stir up enough interest to actually get young people to register OR show up to the polls.

people underestimate the laziness of our youth. (keep in mind i've already registered to vote myself )

I think you got a point there, the Old White dude must be evil so don't vote for him, even though it's Obama who endorses babies to be murdered in the most repugnant way, and all his Ivy league education could produce as a lame answer is "its above my paygrade".

I have never been more passionate about any Presidential election than this one. I have verbally gotten into it with liberals at work too, they are like Shocked because I don't support Obama.

 

[charlie_hunter]

I think you got a point there, the Old White dude must be evil so don't vote for him, even though it's Obama who endorses babies to be murdered in the most repugnant way, and all his Ivy league education could produce as a lame answer is "its above my paygrade".

I have never been more passionate about any Presidential election than this one. I have verbally gotten into it with liberals at work too, they are like Shocked because I don't support Obama.

i was under the idea that this thread would be closed?

ah well. another comment above that shows that one issue voting is alive and well. denial is alive and well too, as i'm sure the one issue voters have no idea how shallow their political criteria is. abortion + guns = voting issues, everything else = who cares?


here's some real statstics to counter the pro gun properganda. Obama isnt actually anit gun enough, but the guy isnt perfect. Here's the Blood Tax which you are charged under your antiqudated constitutional interpretation:

Gun Deaths - United States Tops The List

The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns - according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.
The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people. Two other countries in the Americas came next. Brazil was second with 12.95, followed by Mexico with 12.69.
Japan had the lowest rate, at 0.05 gun deaths per 100,000 (1 per 2 million people). The police in Japan actively raid homes of those suspected of having weapons.
The 36 countries in the study were the richest in the World Bank's 1994 World Development Report, having the highest GNP per capita income.
The United States accounted for 45 percent of the 88,649 gun deaths reported in the study, the first comprehensive international scrutiny of gun-related deaths.
The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

• U.S.A. 14.24
• Brazil 12.95
• Mexico 12.69
• Estonia 12.26
• Argentina 8.93
• Northern Ireland 6.63
• Finland 6.46
• Switzerland 5.31
• France 5.15
• Canada 4.31
• Norway 3.82
• Austria 3.70
• Portugal 3.20
• Israel 2.91
• Belgium 2.90
• Australia 2.65
• Slovenia 2.60
• Italy 2.44
• New Zealand 2.38
• Denmark 2.09
• Sweden 1.92
• Kuwait 1.84
• Greece 1.29
• Germany 1.24
• Hungary 1.11
• Ireland 0.97
• Spain 0.78
• Netherlands 0.70
• Scotland 0.54
• England and Wales 0.41
• Taiwan 0.37
• Singapore 0.21
• Mauritius 0.19
• Hong Kong 0.14
• South Korea 0.12
• Japan 0.05

Health officials believe that guns in the U.S.could become the leading cause of death attributed to injury by the year 2003, surpassing injuries due to motor vehicle crashes.

corralated with muders per 100,000, since 2000 (to show that yes, guns actually increase the murder rate)

United States[43][42] 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.7
5.7 Palestine[37]


2.70 4.04


4.04 Spain[24][44] 1.25

3.65

3.35
3.35 Iran[37]


2.64 2.93


2.93 South Korea[24][37] 2.02

2.19 2.18


2.18 United Kingdom[25]
1.76 2.03




2.03 France[24][37] 1.78

1.64 1.64


1.64 New Zealand[24][25] 1.17 1.16 1.29




1.29 Australia[24][37] 1.57

1.53 1.28


1.28 Norway[24][37] 1.09

1.11 0.78


0.78 Japan[24][42] 0.50
1.10






0.50

 

[GQ Chris]

When you give statistics, please site your source.

 

[IDDQD]

I like the direction this thread is going.

 

[charlie_hunter]

When you give statistics, please site your source.

its the first line.........

The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns - according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.


murder rates come from wikipedia, which state that they come from a varity of sources. various national statistics bodies etc.

the usual NRA properganda line of how Washington DC and other states with tough gun control etc has higher murder rates because you can conceal etc misses the point completely. unless you are searching people as they enter and exit states (like they do when you enter or exit a country) then a nation is either has availablility, or it dosent. National statstics is the only way to get a clear picture.

 

[GQ Chris]

Like I said, gun control feels good, but doesn't work.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Like I said, gun control feels good, but doesn't work.

Owning a gun feels good. makes you feel powerful, safe, in control. all an illusion of course.

but that illusion feels so good, that many are willing to close their eyes to the undeniable death and suffering which that feeling costs and lie to themselves that guns are a good thing.

 

[GQ Chris]

Owning a gun feels good. makes you feel powerful, safe, in control. all an illusion of course.

but that illusion feels so good, that many are willing to close their eyes to the undeniable death and suffering which that feeling costs and lie to themselves that guns are a good thing.

You know you're right, some people, mainly Liberal Politicians, don't need guns, they just pay money for people with guns to protect them... you know, from all that death and suffering at the hands of evil people who will get their hands on a gun or any other kind of weapon no matter what assinine legislation is passed

 

[charlie_hunter]

You know you're right, some people, mainly Liberal Politicians, don't need guns, they just pay money for people with guns to protect them... you know, from all that death and suffering at the hands of evil people who will get their hands on a gun or any other kind of weapon no matter what assinine legislation is passed

yep, works well too. Being black and Democrat, Obama must have a personal security force the size of a small nations military.

he needs it, there's a lot of racist gun nuts out there...

 

[GQ Chris]

Yeah, he acknowledges the need for guns, but yet will not support them for the common citizen, no, not even for Self defense. He instead gives power to the home invader with the intent to Rape and Murder, your typical liberal...

 

[charlie_hunter]

Yeah, he acknowledges the need for guns, but yet will not support them for the common citizen, no, not even for Self defense. He instead gives power to the home invader with the intent to Rape and Murder, your typical liberal...

Wrong

its the NRA that want rapists armed. those who support gun control want them disarmed.

 

[GQ Chris]

Wrong

its the NRA that want rapists armed. those who support gun control want them disarmed.

you are Hilarious. Obama doesn't believe in Self defense for the common citizen... don't blame it on the NRA.

 

[GQ Chris]

Wrong

its the NRA that want rapists armed. those who support gun control want them disarmed.

you are Hilarious. Obama doesn't believe in Self defense for the common citizen... don't blame it on the NRA.

 

[GQ Chris]

Wrong

its the NRA that want rapists armed. those who support gun control want them disarmed.

you are Hilarious. Obama doesn't believe in Self defense for the common citizen... don't blame it on the NRA.