Why is it Cool to vote for Obama?

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[charlie_hunter]

I agree with justagirl.

Charlie, you push quite a bit for hypocrisy and inconsistency, but over your last several posts, you have accused us of doing some things while you have done the same. Explaining the subconscious effects of "Obama bin Laden" while pairing Bush into the McCain/Palin candidacy? How does that work? Regardless of if that was your intent, that has been one way Obama used in trying to get the voters to go against McCain. But I'm guessing you either never heard of that or let it go as unimportant?

Wow....just...wow......ok, i'll make my rebuttal as brief as possible.

Bush = Republican
McCain/Palin = Republican

Obama = Democrat
Osama Bin Laden = Al Quida

objecting to a comparison of one republican leader to another (future) one on the basis that the comparison is identical to comparing the leader of the democrats to the leader of Al Quida is implying that Bush is also a terrorist! or at the very least is seen as one.

Attempting to rebut my OWN (remind you I started off giving a personal opinion, not a true/false statement) reasons for not trusting Obama's motives while you used Palin's pregnant daughter as a reason for her mistrust (actually that one is more a moral question, while mine is a PERSONAL reason to not trust what is underlying him). Since you are not voting here, I'll let it go as simply your opinions on how relevant both sides' ideas are. So then you count their opinion as gospel while mine gives you reason to mock me? If you laugh at my ideas without giving it ear, why should I trust that you understand much?

in the example of doublethink i gave you assume that i believe Palin is responsible for her daughters pregnancy. I belive she is as responsible for her daughters pregnancy as much as any other parent is for their childs pregnancy. which is very little. As sexual education is not the SOLE responsiblity of the parents. The Republican line is that it is, but when one of its own fails, then they are not responsible. doublethink. same situation, two standards. the Jamie Spears/Palin comparison is a good one.

And please, if you're going to "debate", then don't resort to a multitude of fallacies. Please check your statements over then write back. No need to constantly bash what you think are the fundamentalists. After a while, it doesn't work, because if you actually look at the other side, you began to see faults there too. Hey...Why not for fun, won't you go critique the other side?

The other side? I originally posted "Doublethink is not something exclusive to conservatives. its something moreso exclusive to fundamentalists, which exist on both sides of politics in equal measure and these are the people i'm truely against, those that see it as just plain black at white. It just so happens that all the fundamentalists here seem to be conservative" then followed it up with an example of how liberal fundamentalists utalize doublespeak (the Bush example) Fail.

this whole thread is turning into one epic fail.

 

[Markus6]

'cos the rest of the world is doing it?

Democrat Mr Obama was favoured by a four-to-one margin across the 22,500 people polled in 22 countries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm

 

[charlie_hunter]

'cos the rest of the world is doing it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm

wow, 12% want McCain in. that's really high for a world vote. i would have thought it would be about 3% or something.

 

[* kittie *]

Wow....just...wow......ok, i'll make my rebuttal as brief as possible.

Bush = Republican
McCain/Palin = Republican

Obama = Democrat
Osama Bin Laden = Al Quida

objecting to a comparison of one republican leader to another (future) one on the basis that the comparison is identical to comparing the leader of the democrats to the leader of Al Quida is implying that Bush is also a terrorist! or at the very least is seen as one.

Again...making generalizations can be fallacious, was my point. Nor is it a good way to argue, as it proves nothing but being able to make the other person look bad without real proof. Congratulations. Why resort to making comparisons to someone a lot of people, even a lot of Republicans, dislike? Again, was my point. Out of everyone, you pick the worst possible president to compare to. I wonder why.

in the example of doublethink i gave you assume that i believe Palin is responsible for her daughters pregnancy. I belive she is as responsible for her daughters pregnancy as much as any other parent is for their childs pregnancy. which is very little. As sexual education is not the SOLE responsiblity of the parents. The Republican line is that it is, but when one of its own fails, then they are not responsible. doublethink. same situation, two standards. the Jamie Spears/Palin comparison is a good one.

Funny...Cause I believe that people are responsible for their own actions. And rightfully so. Who is to say which way is right or wrong? This is all merely a debate on ethics?
I PERSONALLY find it sad that so many people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, and instead seek to blame parents, friends and gosh...the media. Although I have to agree that to some degree, they do have influence, there is no proof to a causal affect ever having been founded. Saying that someone is terrifying due to something their child did is unfortunate, because it neglects to look at anything else she is or has done. Of course, all in my opinion. And in case you missed it...how Democrats are guilty of the same thing AND of wishy washy policies.

The other side? I originally posted "Doublethink is not something exclusive to conservatives. its something moreso exclusive to fundamentalists, which exist on both sides of politics in equal measure and these are the people i'm truely against, those that see it as just plain black at white. It just so happens that all the fundamentalists here seem to be conservative" then followed it up with an example of how liberal fundamentalists utalize doublespeak (the Bush example) Fail.

this whole thread is turning into one epic fail.

Fail and yet you happen to continue to parade around in here, thinking your opinions are superior to anyone who opposes you. Great. Frankly, attacking what the voters believe, again, only have little to do with the candidates. So my point was, let's not resort to bashing of the voters themselves and stick to the candidates.
Again, you speak about Bush. Double fail.

 

[swtldy622]

this whole thread is turning into one epic fail.

Yes I agree. I think it's due to the things I mentioned before. A lot of the people in this thread are just flat out rude, arrogant, and have no respect for other people's opinion.

Instead of using intelligent arguments they would rather make unfounded comparisons and ridiculous statements (i.e. our elections don't concern the rest of the world). Much like the politians in this country.

People of the world, I want you to know though, not all Americans are so narrowminded. Thank God for that. But it's usually the narrowminded ones who are so overzealous in their opinions, unfortunately.

 

[swtldy622]

*is laughing* "Stand Up Chuck And Let Em See You!" - haha, gotta keep the milk from coming out of my nose, what a tool. Between that and the lipstick on a pig comments the Dem nominees are coming out so strong it hurts my sides from the rushed breaths in between bouts of laughter.

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McCain used the exact same comment in reference to Hillary Clinton last October, so I don't understand why people are making a big deal out of Obama saying it. Must be hypocricy at work.

 

[Wren]

McCain used the exact same comment in reference to Hillary Clinton last October, so I don't understand why people are making a big deal out of Obama saying it. Must be hypocricy at work.

 

[Atlantians]

in the example of doublethink i gave you assume that i believe Palin is responsible for her daughters pregnancy. I belive she is as responsible for her daughters pregnancy as much as any other parent is for their childs pregnancy. which is very little. As sexual education is not the SOLE responsiblity of the parents. The Republican line is that it is, but when one of its own fails, then they are not responsible. doublethink. same situation, two standards. the Jamie Spears/Palin comparison is a good one.

Fundamental error:
You are assuming the daughter is pregnant because of a lack of education and that liberal Democrat 'if it feels good do it, but make sure you wear a rubber cover' education policy would have kept her from getting pregnant.

Note: I support comprehensive sex-education.
Truly comprehensive sex-ed would highly highly emphasize and recommend abstinence and purity until marriage, while also educating the kids about birth control, STDs, ect in an unbiased 'you should wait until marriage, this other stuff is just general information you should be aware of if you are married anyway' sort of way.

 

[* kittie *]

Actually, all political threads here and in the WD forum are rude, littered with statements which are hardly relevant to politics. If you critique the argument structure that is. It's frustrating debating with people who choose to go back to the style of criticizing and mockery.

Unfortunately, me sharing anything at all of my opinion has let to people calling me blind because I don't change my vote to THEIR way. If anyone chooses to take offense in me backing my own opinions, it was created by themselves in their own mind, as I have not personally criticized anyone here of their opinions. Yet any opinion I share is twisted into some straw man fallacy so... I guess that's what I should expect from this crowd.

 

[overit]

I'm chomping at the bit to get in this one-but won't hehe...too much to do in my new home. Just wanted to say I agree w/CharlieHunter 100% here, great observations. And I really was shocked that someone would assume the world shouldn't care who we elect -huh?

 

[joanna1]

wow, 12% want McCain in. that's really high for a world vote. i would have thought it would be about 3% or something.

Same here I'm surprised it's so high.
It was funny when I was in France some time ago, there was a lot of pro Obama campaining. So there were features on the national news to tell people to shut up because if the Americans found out the french supported Obama, it would put them off voting for him !
So maybe the 12% are just *pretending* to want McCain

 

[charlie_hunter]

McCain used the exact same comment in reference to Hillary Clinton last October, so I don't understand why people are making a big deal out of Obama saying it. Must be hypocricy at work.

Its doublethink at work, thats my point!!!!

 

[Reanimation]

People of the world, I want you to know though, not all Americans are so narrowminded. Thank God for that. But it's usually the narrowminded ones who are so overzealous in their opinions, unfortunately.

Thank goodness for that!

 

[GQ Chris]

People of the world, I want you to know though, not all Americans are so narrowminded. Thank God for that. But it's usually the narrowminded ones who are so overzealous in their opinions, unfortunately.

LOL. Yeah, so long as the rest of Americans subscribe to the moral relativism of the far Left, Americans with a differing opinion will always be narrowminded.

 

[swtldy622]

Does anyone know when the first debate is going to be?

 

[GQ Chris]

Narrowminded to me means people who think their opinions are far and away the best, no matter what side they are on. Or people who resort to silly tactics to make their point. Or people who think others should not be concerned about American elections. That's narrowminded to me.

My apologies then. I don't think my opinion is best, simply what I believe and the convictions that are most important to me.


By the way folks, I didn't make this thread to offend people, I just tend to think out loud sometimes. I'm going to ask the Mods to close this before things might get out of hand.

 

[BoarderDave]

It's not cool to vote for someone specific.. the world is just trying to make it seem like voting in general is cool. They are trying to get all the 18-25 people that rarely ever voted more into it. If politics is cool talk and discussed on MTV, then kids get more involved and vote.

That being said.. Im so glad I dont watch MTV.

 

[deliciousBass]

I'm surprised I haven't unsubscribed from this thread...

Anyway, just wanted to say that I think Palin is hot. I hope my future wife looks as good as her when she's 46.

 

[charlie_hunter]

I'm surprised I haven't unsubscribed from this thread...

Anyway, just wanted to say that I think Palin is hot. I hope my future wife looks as good as her when she's 46.

hahahaha, nice. there's a lot of other people thinking that too and the Repubs know its going to help the voting.

ahhhhh......i'll miss this thread when its closed. Coincidental its being closed after the fundies are getting outnumbered by the rational? i think not. fun times though. but i'll leave with one final thought of the day.................

It must be remembered that although they'd like to present themselves as otherwise. The Republicans and what they stand for in American politics are a very small (but very dangerous, as they do have a big degree of control) minority in the world. in America they represent about half the population, but as we've seen, if the vote was world wide, no one can doubt that Obama would win in a landslide. The challange for those who defend the ideals of charity, compassion and justice over money, blind faith, ignorance and a system that puts corprations and profits before humans, is that we must engage this minority with the understanding that they lack. An understanding which knows that many Republicans are that way simply because of the enviroment, states and homes that they were raised in, rather than because of any personal personal approval for the hate which the Republican party endorses against its various opponenets in the world. As Christians we know that people can change, grow and learn. We must do our part to accomidate that, to educate and to engage culture.

It is our duty as the moral majority in the world to engage with the vocal minority who seek control. As we all know, all that's needed for evil to triumph is the good people of the world to do nothing.

Good luck Obama, you do not stand for absolute good, but you're sure as heck not as bad as the other guy..........