WHY is homosexuality sinful?

[vossler]

The relationships are referred to as being unnatural. the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals. This is not a condemnation of homosexuals…rather it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries.

Going by this line of thinking one could easily justify adultery or even pedophilia. For example, it is in my nature to have sex with as many women as I can, it's how I'm wired; for someone else it could be in their nature to have sex with children. I would hope that you don't believe because it is uncharacteristic of me to be monogamous that God would see me being faithful to my wife as unnatural and against God's design for me.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

can you say reprobate mind????????????

 

[MarkEvan]

I understand the need to be pationate about something which you believe in, but evidently sometimes that desire leaves us open to deceit from satan, and it therefore takes others to show us we are wrong because our hearts are hardened to God, I would love to say that this is a difficult subject but in my mind it isn`t, the scriptures are clear on it! I believe each of us should keep an open mind and listen to the scriptures that discuss this issue, with an open mind to what the bible says.

So bearing that in mind, would those who advocate homosexuality show us one verse, one scripture where homosexuality is permited by God. I am not asking for verses that say God is love and anything in Love is OK, I am asking for a specific verse that condones homosexuality, there are many verses in both the old and new testaments that say this act is wrong, where are the verses that say it is OK?

 

[Tychicum]

The relationships are referred to as being unnatural. the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals. This is not a condemnation of homosexuals…rather it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries.

You should warn a person to roll up their pant legs before they read your posts.

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[Tamara224]

You should warn a person to roll up their pant legs before they read your posts.

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[Athanasian Creed]

... We would not call a man who had once contemplated murder, but had not acted on it, a murderer. He is not a murderer until he commits murder. In the same way, attraction to same-sex does not make a person homosexual. One is not a homosexual if one does not commit homosexual acts.

Did not Jesus say -

Matthew 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

When excited against sin, (anger) is lawful. God is angry with the wicked. Jesus looked on the hypocritical Pharisees with anger, Mr 3:5. So it is said, Be ye angry, and sin not, Eph 4:26. This anger, or indignation against sin, is not what our Saviour speaks of here. That is anger without a cause; that is, unjustly, rashly, hastily, where no offence had been given or intended. In that case it is evil; and it is a violation of the sixth commandment, because he that hateth his brother is a murderer, 1Jo 3:15. He has a feeling which would lead him to commit murder if it were fully acted out. (Barnes)

and,

Matthew 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


The same principle applies to one tempted to homosexuality, even if he is celibate, who looks on another of the same gender with lust - he is committing the homosexual act in his heart.



Ray

 

[Tamara224]

Yes homosexuals are a minority. Why does that bother you? If you are addressing the issue as you claim, in a “loving, truthful and non-judgmental” way then you shouldn’t be bothered by the fact that they are a minority.

When did I say I was bothered by the fact that they are a minority? I praise God that it's only a very small minority of the population afflicted with homosexuality.

My point was that just because a group is a minority doesn't mean they get special rights or respect. We should be working to decrease the minority even further, not trying to make it a majority.

But you didn’t quote the article with “nifty” endnotes now did you.

So? The interview I quoted did quote that one...it all gets to the same place in the end.

would you like me to continue?

Definitely not. But will I be able to stop you? I doubt it.

You can keep trying to debunk it all with other biased (i.e. Planned Parenthood) publications... but you won't convince me. Similarly, I won't convince you. If you don't believe the Scriptures, then why should you believe any research that supports the Scriptures?

You don't have eyes to see or ears to hear because you are only interested in defending and attempting to justify sin.

I'm shaking the dust off my feet...

 

[ReformedChapin]

When did I say I was bothered by the fact that they are a minority? I praise God that it's only a very small minority of the population afflicted with homosexuality.

My point was that just because a group is a minority doesn't mean they get special rights or respect. We should be working to decrease the minority even further, not trying to make it a majority.






So? The interview I quoted did quote that one...it all gets to the same place in the end.



Definitely not. But will I be able to stop you? I doubt it.

You can keep trying to debunk it all with other biased (i.e. Planned Parenthood) publications... but you won't convince me. Similarly, I won't convince you. If you don't believe the Scriptures, then why should you believe any research that supports the Scriptures?

You don't have eyes to see or ears to hear because you are only interested in defending and attempting to justify sin.

I'm shaking the dust off my feet...

 

[Athanasian Creed]

When did I say I was bothered by the fact that they are a minority? I praise God that it's only a very small minority of the population afflicted with homosexuality...

Yes, exactly. Don't let those with a homosexual agenda try and tell you that 10% of the population is homosexual...that's a bunch of "hooey" and has even been exposed as incorrect by Time magazine several years ago. It's closer to reality to say that 3 - 4 % of the population are homosexuals.



Ray

 

[127Rockledge]

I think some anti-homosexuality debaters are not seeing that those debating opposite of you are not nessecarily pro-homosexuality. As I had stated earlier, it's a matter of burden of proof.

It also appears to me that those arguing anti-homosexuality are not accepting the bible as a whole, but instead referencing only small pieces of scripture that also seem to be vague and non-descriptive.

 

[127Rockledge]

Don't let those with a homosexual agenda try and tell you that 10% of the population is homosexual...that's a bunch of "hooey" and has even been exposed as incorrect by Time magazine several years ago. It's closer to reality to say that 3 - 4 % of the population are homosexuals.

This is incorrect due to world census.

You may live in an area that does not consist of many homosexuals, I do. It is very safe to say 1/10 in my area.

But you are most likely referring to US census in where your numbers are a little low but not far off. But our country is all in all, fairly conservative. When we take into account Austrailia and Western Europe which both have extremely large gay populations - then go into Japan and other male dominated populations, we can get that number a bit closer to 10%.

Edit: All in all it really doesn't shed any light on the main arguing point here.

 

[ReformedChapin]

This is incorrect due to world census.

You may live in an area that does not consist of many homosexuals, I do. It is very safe to say 1/10 in my area.

But you are most likely referring to US census in where your numbers are a little low but not far off. But our country is all in all, fairly conservative. When we take into account Austrailia and Western Europe which both have extremely large gay populations - then go into Japan and other male dominated populations, we can get that number a bit closer to 10%.

Edit: All in all it really doesn't shed any light on the main arguing point here.

Actually it does, if the numbers of homosexuals are consistently through out the nations at a steady rate then it might give the homosexual more validity. But since they aren't, it shows further that homosexuality is contributed by social factors.

 

[127Rockledge]

Actually it does, if the numbers of homosexuals are consistently through out the nations at a steady rate then it might give the homosexual more validity. But since they aren't, it shows further that homosexuality is contributed by social factors.

No offense there but your sentence structure got me a bit confused.

I do not see the link between the number of homosexuals on the planet and God's reasoning (speculative) homosexuality as a sin.

I do believe that scientifically the numbers of animals (non-human) who exhibit homosexual tendencies ( I do not have a the link to the study but it was a survey regarding mice) 1/10000 vs. the claimed 1/10 for humans does not coincide.

But that is not the point of this argument. The point is, if homosexuality is a sin, WHY is it a sin?

 

[ReformedChapin]

No offense there but your sentence structure got me a bit confused.

I do not see the link between the number of homosexuals on the planet and God's reasoning (speculative) homosexuality as a sin.

I do believe that scientifically the numbers of animals (non-human) who exhibit homosexual tendencies ( I do not have a the link to the study but it was a survey regarding mice) 1/10000 vs. the claimed 1/10 for humans does not coincide.

But that is not the point of this argument. The point is, if homosexuality is a sin, WHY is it a sin?

I didn't mention any reason why God would make homosexuality a sin? All I stated is that if the numbers were consistent it might make homosexuality more valid as a genetic cause.

 

[ebia]

I didn't mention any reason why God would make homosexuality a sin? All I stated is that if the numbers were consistent it might make homosexuality more valid as a genetic cause.

Um, it's the title of the thread.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Um, it's the title of the thread.

this thread has spread through a multitude of subjects regarding the op topic, I was reffering to the statistics presented and the genetic argument

 

[Athanasian Creed]

...The point is, if homosexuality is a sin, WHY is it a sin?

Because God's word says it's not only a sin but an abomination in His sight. The fact that God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve - and He told them to "go forth and multiply" (which no homosexual 'couple' can do naturally) The fact that both Old and New Testaments condemn homosexuality as sinful, calling it unnatural, "against nature", "unseemly"

Romans 1:26-28 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (iow, to what is shameful or disgraceful), and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (iow, fit or proper)



Ray

 

[ebia]

Because God's word says it's not only a sin but an abomination in His sight.

Repeating the 'fact' that it is a sin doesn't explain why it is a sin.

The fact that God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve - and He told them to "go forth and multiply" (which no homosexual 'couple' can do naturally)

Doesn't hold water unless all relationships which cannot result in children are sinful.

The fact that both Old and New Testaments condemn homosexuality as sinful, calling it unnatural, "against nature", "unseemly"

See the first point.

 

[HunterRose]

I didn't mention any reason why God would make homosexuality a sin? All I stated is that if the numbers were consistent it might make homosexuality more valid as a genetic cause.

Can you provide evidence that the numbers are not?

 

[HunterRose]

Because God's word says it's not only a sin but an abomination in His sight. The fact that God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve - and He told them to "go forth and multiply" (which no homosexual 'couple' can do naturally) The fact that both Old and New Testaments condemn homosexuality as sinful, calling it unnatural, "against nature", "unseemly"

Romans 1:26-28 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (iow, to what is shameful or disgraceful), and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (iow, fit or proper)



Ray

The relationships are referred to as being unnatural. the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.
his is not a condemnation of homosexuals…rather it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries.