Why is God mysterious?

[MyLordMySavior]

I doubt that the rays are being bent. Look at the light hitting the tops of the clouds; it seems consistent with the rays beneath the clouds, and triangulates similarly.

My dad is a Triple 777 Captain for Fedex, has flown all over the world for decades has been hundreds of thousands of feet in the air, has seen the most glorious of sunsets. He says he has never seen rays like those above the clouds, only below them when the light shines through them. He agrees with me when I say the light is being bent by the clouds- more specifically the many water droplets.

I think I am debating now.... o.o

 

[ananda]

The Van Allen Belt was discovered in 1952, so we knew about ti. Does it prevent anything from getting past it? Because we have a robot on Mars right now (or did) and it had a live feed...I remember because I watched it! Would have the belt prevented our robot from getting to Mars? If our robot can, why can't we?

It'll prevent people from traveling through because it's highly radioactive. Even NASA admitted that recently ... check out the video starting from about 3 minutes in to 3:44. He says regarding the van allen belt: "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space". Curious, no?

Orion: Trial By Fire - YouTube

 

[ananda]

My dad is a Triple 777 Captain for Fedex, has flown all over the world for decades has been hundreds of thousands of feet in the air, has seen the most glorious of sunsets. He says he has never seen rays like those above the clouds, only below them when the light shines through them. He agrees with me when I say the light is being bent by the clouds- more specifically the many water droplets.

I think I am debating now.... o.o

IF they were bent by the clouds, then the rays would not all be straight lines triangulating on a specific point

 

[bhsmte]

My dad is a Triple 777 Captain for Fedex, has flown all over the world for decades has been hundreds of thousands of feet in the air, has seen the most glorious of sunsets. He says he has never seen rays like those above the clouds, only below them when the light shines through them. He agrees with me when I say the light is being bent by the clouds- more specifically the many water droplets.

I think I am debating now.... o.o

You are correct.

Why does light bend in water? How Refraction works

 

[ananda]

If one needs to believe in something badly enough, they will appear, whether they be a God, aliens or ghosts.

And if God wants us to have faith in him, he should know what each person requires to believe in him.

Do you believe that we can create objects in reality, due to our belief?

 

[MyLordMySavior]

It'll prevent people from traveling through because it's highly radioactive. Even NASA admitted that recently ... check out the video starting from about 3 minutes in to 3:44. He says regarding the van allen belt: "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space". Curious, no?

Orion: Trial By Fire - YouTube

I'm not denying they didn't face radiation, but how much? How much is considered deadly? OSHA says 300 rads/hr is lethal. If their transit time was 53 min through this belt, how much radiation would they have endured? Do you like math? Well here is a students math test to answer your question...lol

11 Rads.

How do you refute this?


http://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/Algebra1/3Page7.pdf

 

[bhsmte]

Do you believe that we can create objects in reality, due to our belief?

Specify what you mean by; "create objects".

 

[MyLordMySavior]

IF they were bent by the clouds, then the rays would not all be straight lines triangulating on a specific point

They are not straight. And they are no triangulating, you can see in the picture there bent in different ways shining in different angles. They're straight above the clouds then when they meet the water droplets, the light refracts in different angels. It makes sense because that explains why we sometimes have really orange sunsets, or pink, or red, or multicolored...because depending on the angle, clouds(water droplets), time of day and the way the light hits those droplets, different colors are more vibrant. Like how you learned in 3rd grade when you shine a light beam into a crystal pyramid and it breaks it into a rainbow!

 

[ananda]

I'm not denying they didn't face radiation, but how much? How much is considered deadly? OSHA says 300 rads/hr is lethal. If their transit time was 53 min through this belt, how much radiation would they have endured? Do you like math? Well here is a students math test to answer your question...lol

11 Rads.

How do you refute this?

http://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/Algebra1/3Page7.pdf

Whatever the case may be as the amount of radiation, my point is, NASA stated "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space"

 

[ananda]

Specify what you mean by; "create objects".

god, aliens, ghosts, etc.

 

[bhsmte]

god, aliens, ghosts, etc.

The human mind is more than capable (under the right circumstances) of creating the perception of reality of the above.

Depending on how one's brain is wired, their life experiences and psychological needs that have developed over time, can have a powerful impact on what one perceives as reality.

 

[Stellar Vision]

No, the sun is quite near and small, maybe only a few thousand miles away from the earth at most.

Look at photos of crepuscular sunlight shining through clouds:

Triangulate the position of the sun from the angle of the rays. The sun cannot be millions of miles away and huge. If it was, the rays would all be virtually straight lines and not angled so far.

Ray formation

 

[ananda]

They are not straight. And they are no triangulating, you can see in the picture there bent in different ways shining in different angles. They're straight above the clouds then when they meet the water droplets, the light refracts in different angels. It makes sense because that explains why we sometimes have really orange sunsets, or pink, or red, or multicolored...because depending on the angle, clouds(water droplets), time of day and the way the light hits those droplets, different colors are more vibrant. Like how you learned in 3rd grade when you shine a light beam into a crystal pyramid and it breaks it into a rainbow!

Only thing is, a cloud is neither a stationary crystal pyramid or a glass of still water.

See the blue tiles under moving water here?:

The straight lines are all wavy in every different direction, due to the nature of the water particles not refracting at the same angle. The moving water particles in a cloud does not demonstrate this effect with the rays of sunlight.

 

[MyLordMySavior]

Do you believe that we can create objects in reality, due to our belief?

Also, if the sun was close how do you explain solar eclipse? Millions of miles away, the sun looks small. During an eclipse, the moon covers the sun the same way in how a person is far away from you and you close one eye and cover their head with your thumb. You're thumb really isn't the same size as the person's head...not are ur touching their head...it's just relative distance and how we view things.



If the sun was close as you say, then when the moon covers the sun it wouldn't be covering it....it would be HITTING it because they both are the same size, and if they were that close then it becomes there that same size because they are the same distance. Because they are both close, the thumb rule is gone, (because it only works is something is significantly further away) ....but they can't be because the moon harmlessly passes during an eclipse and doesn't impact.


The only other explanation is the moon acts as the "thumb" and the sun acts as the person's head who's very far away... does this make sense?

 

[Received]

Seems like He isn't very straightforward in His existence, from my perspective.

You always hear talk about "God works in mysterious ways" and all that jazz.

Why is that? Why all the mystery?

Believers: Would you agree that God is mysterious?

Because God means an entity whose intelligence is very, very, very higher than ours, and this gap between what we know and something else is exactly what constitutes mystery. Much like we consider a genius' thinking to be mysterious, so it is with God.

You may as well ask why the universe is so mysterious. Well, there's a big gap there between what we know and what the universe is.

 

[MyLordMySavior]

Only thing is, a cloud is neither a stationary crystal pyramid or a glass of still water.

See the blue tiles under moving water here?:

The straight lines are all wavy in every different direction, due to the nature of the water particles not refracting at the same angle. The moving water particles in a cloud does not demonstrate this effect with the rays of sunlight.

This is actually another example for me to use. Do you swim or have a pool? I do! And sometimes during the day in the afternoon, when you look above the water you don't see beams or sun rays. Just....light. Well, go under the water and the way you see the ray beams under the clouds, you see the same thing under the water! Not as prominent, but it is still very pretty.

Also, another example, it gets foggy where I am, and do you ever see someones head lights and the light is all refracted? The angles in light are caused by water, like the pool, like fog, like clouds(since clouds are water), not because the Sun is close.

Also whether I am on the ground or 45,000 miles in the atmosphere (I have been) the sun looks the same size.... if the sun was close, wouldn't it get noticeably larger the further in the atmosphere I go up? This would work unless the sun was significantly far away...and I'm not sure how close you think the sun is to the Earth.

Also on the stationary, yes the clouds are moving but in comparison to how far and wide the sun is emitting it's light and how large the sun is, it might as well be because no matter how fast or how far the clouds move, they'll still being hit by the sun's light because that's how big the sun is and how widespread the light travels.

 

[Resha Caner]

You may as well ask why the universe is so mysterious. Well, there's a big gap there between what we know and what the universe is.

You're too late. Serious answers are no longer being discussed.

 

[ananda]

Also, if the sun was close how do you explain solar eclipse? Millions of miles away, the sun looks small. During an eclipse, the moon covers the sun the same way in how a person is far away from you and you close one eye and cover their head with your thumb. You're thumb really isn't the same size as the person's head...not are ur touching their head...it's just relative distance and how we view things.

If the sun was close as you say, then when the moon covers the sun it wouldn't be covering it....it would be HITTING it because they both are the same size, and if they were that close then it becomes there that same size because they are the same distance. Because they are both close, the thumb rule is gone, (because it only works is something is significantly further away) ....but they can't be because the moon harmlessly passes during an eclipse and doesn't impact.

The only other explanation is the moon acts as the "thumb" and the sun acts as the person's head who's very far away... does this make sense?

The sun is marginally further away than the moon, so when the moon passes in front of the sun it eclipses it. Both the moon and the sun are about the same size.

 

[ananda]

This is actually another example for me to use. Do you swim or have a pool? I do! And sometimes during the day in the afternoon, when you look above the water you don't see beams or sun rays. Just....light. Well, go under the water and the way you see the ray beams under the clouds, you see the same thing under the water! Not as prominent, but it is still very pretty.

Also, another example, it gets foggy where I am, and do you ever see someones head lights and the light is all refracted? The angles in light are caused by water, like the pool, like fog, like clouds(since clouds are water), not because the Sun is close.

Also whether I am on the ground or 45,000 miles in the atmosphere (I have been) the sun looks the same size.... if the sun was close, wouldn't it get noticeably larger the further in the atmosphere I go up? This would work unless the sun was significantly far away...and I'm not sure how close you think the sun is to the Earth.

Also on the stationary, yes the clouds are moving but in comparison to how far and wide the sun is emitting it's light and how large the sun is, it might as well be because no matter how fast or how far the clouds move, they'll still being hit by the sun's light because that's how big the sun is and how widespread the light travels.

45,000 miles ... how'd you get past the van allen belt?

 

[Received]

You're too late. Serious answers are no longer being discussed.

Aw man, I guess I'll just get more coffee.