Why is did God create us with the capacity to sin?

[bird]

Today at 07:27 PM Reformationist said this in Post #99



I would have to say, without hesitation, that the forgiveness of God is what results in our repentence so I'd most definitely say that God's forgiveness of His chosen comes before their acknowledgement of their sinfulness, and thus repentence.

God bless

so, in your statement above, are you saying that god's forgiveness has already been given which therefore results in our ability to repent?

bird

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 11:35 AM bird said this in Post #101




so, in your statement above, are you saying that god's forgiveness has already been given which therefore results in our ability to repent?

bird

It doesn't just result in my "ability to repent."  It results in my desire to repent and my actual repenting.

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

God bless

 

[rnmomof7]

Today at 02:27 PM Reformationist said this in Post #99



I would have to say, without hesitation, that the forgiveness of God is what results in our repentence so I'd most definitely say that God's forgiveness of His chosen comes before their acknowledgement of their sinfulness, and thus repentence.

God bless

We disagree brother. The grace of God leads us to repentance. If Forgivness prerceeded repenatance why would there be a command to repent?

Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Note the order as taught by Christ


Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Notice the order taught by the apostles

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
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[rnmomof7]

Today at 02:32 PM bird said this in Post #100




let me see if  i am understanding you correctly.  what do you mean by repentance?   and what do you mean when you say that repentance is prior to forgiveness?

 

bird

Repentance is a gift from God..that preceeds the forgiveness and saving of the elect.

To repent is to abhor your sin so that you turn from it to Christ

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1051039751-175.html

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 12:25 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #103




We disagree brother. The grace of God leads us to repentance. If Forgivness prerceeded repenatance why would there be a command to repent?

Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the order as taught by Christ


Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Notice the order taught by the apostles

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
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Forgiveness for the sins of God's elect is accomplished by the propitiatory work of Christ.  Forgiveness is a cumulative action which encompasses all of God's saving work.  His sovereign, regenerative actions are part of His elective work of forgiving those He has chosen.  I think this is more of an issue of you and I describing the same event in different ways rather than a disagreement in the causal agent of repentence.  I would say that God's work of forgiveness includes the grace which leads to repentence, the imputation of Christ's righteousness, regeneration of His elect, and the purifying work of the Holy Spirit in our sanctification.

God bless

 

[CCWoody]

I like how we are all having the same conversation across 3 threads....

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 01:13 PM CCWoody said this in Post #106

I like how we are all having the same conversation across 3 threads....

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

LOL!  I was just thinking the same thing.

 

[bird]

Today at 09:39 PM Reformationist said this in Post #107



LOL!  I was just thinking the same thing.

to consolidate or not to consolidate....that is the question. 

 

bird

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 01:52 PM bird said this in Post #108




to consolidate or not to consolidate....that is the question. 

 

bird

LOL!  I'm actually enjoying it the way it is.  It's keeping it from getting stale.

God bless

 

[CCWoody]

Today at 03:53 PM Reformationist said this in Post #109



LOL!  I'm actually enjoying it the way it is.  It's keeping it from getting stale.

God bless

I'm trying to decide if I want to abandon my Rockin' Doctrine thread and start a new one or go back and answer some of the remaining posts there....

Problem is that I just don't have the time for umteen threads.

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

 

[rnmomof7]

Today at 04:10 PM Reformationist said this in Post #105


I would say that God's work of forgiveness includes the grace which leads to repentence, the imputation of Christ's righteousness, regeneration of His elect, and the purifying work of the Holy Spirit in our sanctification.

God bless

I can live with that as long as we agree that man must still repent and believe ..No man is born saved..It is a foreordained event, but man must repent and believe

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 02:12 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #111




I can live with that as long as we agree that man must still repent and believe ..No man is born saved..It is a foreordained event, but man must repent and believe

I can live with that as long as we acknowledge that a man's ability and inclination to repent and believe is a product of the grace of God.

God bless

 

[rnmomof7]

Today at 05:20 PM Reformationist said this in Post #112



I can live with that as long as we acknowledge that a man's ability and inclination to repent and believe is a product of the grace of God.

God bless

Amen..I think we have been talking past each other..

It is indeed the grace of God that leads man to repentance.

But God calls on all men everywhere to repent ...my point no short cuts:>)

 

[bird]

Yesterday at 10:39 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #113




Amen..I think we have been talking past each other..

It is indeed the grace of God that leads man to repentance.

But God calls on all men everywhere to repent ...my point no short cuts:&gt

why would god call on all men everywhere to repent if he doesn't really want all men? 

 

bird

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 04:13 PM bird said this in Post #114




why would god call on all men everywhere to repent if he doesn't really want all men? 

 

bird

Because God is Just.  Just because God requires the obedience of all mankind doesn't obligate Him to provide the necessary grace to live in obedience.  God had to establish His righteous Law so that there was a Law to be broken.  Even with Adam and Even in the Garden He did this.  He told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  Had He not given them the Law they would not have had a Law to break.

God bless

 

[bird]

Today at 12:18 AM Reformationist said this in Post #115



Because God is Just.  Just because God requires the obedience of all mankind doesn't obligate Him to provide the necessary grace to live in obedience.  God had to establish His righteous Law so that there was a Law to be broken.  Even with Adam and Even in the Garden He did this.  He told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  Had He not given them the Law they would not have had a Law to break.

God bless

 

reformationist,

 

i am speechless.  is this what you think of the father? 

 

bird

 

[rnmomof7]

Today at 07:13 PM bird said this in Post #114




why would god call on all men everywhere to repent if he doesn't really want all men? 

 

bird

God restrains no man bird..He calls on men to repent because His holiness demands that men repent.


He takes nothing away from any man..Men will always do what they will to do

 

[rnmomof7]

Today at 09:09 PM bird said this in Post #116



 

reformationist,

 

i am speechless.  is this what you think of the father? 

 

bird

bird why do you think that God gave the law?

 

[bird]

Today at 02:27 AM rnmomof7 said this in Post #118



bird why do you think that God gave the law?

"wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto christ, that we might be justified by faith."  (gal.3:24)

 

bird