Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous? (5)

[justlookinla]

Is this what you want taught in public school science classes?

Nope. Neither do I want the faith-based viewpoint of atheistic creationism taught.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You've given nothing.

Wrong he gave you something. You did not understand it.

Let's go simpler. The theory of evolution makes predictions about the fossil record. Every fossil found to date follows those predictions. The theory of evolution says that as the strata gets older we will find life that was the forerunner of today's life. We can trace lineages up and down the fossil record. Fossils will not be found that are out of place. In other words we will not find a bunny rabbit before fishes.

What does your belief predict in regard to the fossil record? And remember the definition of scientific evidence:

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

 

[Split Rock]

Nothing concerning faith-based beliefs, including atheistic creationism, should be taught in schools.

Science utilizes only naturalistic mechanisms and explanations, which according to you, represents an atheistic faith-based belief. So, according to you, science should not be taught at all. Is this correct?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls.​

Start with the alleged single life form from long long ago and go forward with your scientific evidence.

(I expect this to be yet another shovelful of nothing)

No, you do not get to pick where we start and stop. That is not part of the definition. We know that there will not be a record of certain aspects of evolution. The fact is that all of the scientific evidence supports evolution. None of it supports your beliefs.

 

[Split Rock]

Nope. Neither do I want the faith-based viewpoint of atheistic creationism taught.

What is your definition of "faith-based?"

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope. Neither do I want the faith-based viewpoint of atheistic creationism taught.

But now I have shown that evolution is not faith based by definition.

Try again.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

Wrong he gave you something. You did not understand it.

Let's go simpler. The theory of evolution makes predictions about the fossil record. Every fossil found to date follows those predictions. The theory of evolution says that as the strata gets older we will find life that was the forerunner of today's life. We can trace lineages up and down the fossil record. Fossils will not be found that are out of place. In other words we will not find a bunny rabbit before fishes.

What does your belief predict in regard to the fossil record? And remember the definition of scientific evidence:

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

We find 'out of place fossils' all the time, atheists just prefer to live in ignorance of them.

Fossils wrong place - creation.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing concerning faith-based beliefs, including atheistic creationism, should be taught in schools.

Aah, good.

Only evolution should be taught in schools. We agree.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
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Ah! I see the problem.

made verb
1. simple past tense and past participle of make.

make verb (used with object), made, mak·ing.
1. to bring into existence by shaping or changing material, combining parts, etc.: to make a dress; to make a channel; to make a work of art.
2. to produce; cause to exist or happen; bring about: to make trouble; to make war.

breathe verb (used with object), breathed
1. to inhale and exhale in respiration.
2. to exhale: Dragons breathe fire.
3. to inject as if by breathing; infuse: She breathed life into the party.

See? "Made" and "breathed" don't mean the same thing. Glad I could help.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We find 'out of place fossils' all the time, atheists just prefer to live in ignorance of them.

Fossils wrong place - creation.com

I am sorry, creation.com is not a valid source. Please name a supposedly out of place fossil in your own words. I don't go to sources that have been debunked thousands of times. Please have at the very least peer reviewed articles ready to back up your claims.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

I am sorry, creation.com is not a valid source. Please name a supposedly out of place fossil in your own words. I don't go to sources that have been debunked thousands of times. Please have at the very least peer reviewed articles ready to back up your claims.

I see you're afraid to look at the evidence. Such a shame.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see you're afraid to look at the evidence. Such a shame.

That is not evidence. Or at the very least it is not scientific evidence. Do you need to see the definition again. I assumed that justa understood it since it was very simple and straight forward, but I may have been mistaken:

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL, since things slowed down I looked at crazy's "source". As I thought it was a joke. It did not name any out of place fossils. All they could point to is some examples that have undergone little evolution for long periods of time. A "living fossil" does not mean the fossil life that it descended from is out of place. It usually refers to a genus or family that was thought to be extinct. Sometimes we are in error when we believe that. That is not an out of place fossil. There is nothing in the theory that says a family or genus has to go extinct.

 

[RickG]

This is the reaction that's so common within the atheistic creationist community which isn't addressing the issue. The issue is concerning the impetus, the power, the force, the mechanism which acted upon a single life form from long long ago which resulted in humanity existing today. What mechanism, what power, what impetus created (and yes it was a creative process) humanity? Why does humanity exist?

What in the sand hill is "atheistic creationist community"?

Do you understand that the question is about the causation of humanity from a single life form of long long ago....or causation of all the complexity and variety of life we observe today?

I have addressed that previously as well providing the evolution of the oceans and atmosphere, which again you keep ignoring.

Bottom line, do you intend to discuss anything or do you just want to be looked upon as a troll. Everything I have presented specifically addresses your question.

 

[DerelictJunction]

What in the sand hill is "atheistic creationist community"?

A group of people who believe that a god created the universe and then died?

I have addressed that previously as well providing the evolution of the oceans and atmosphere, which again you keep ignoring.

Bottom line, do you intend to discuss anything or do you just want to be looked upon as a troll. Everything I have presented specifically addresses your question.

Hmm...my money is on "troll".

 

[RickG]

A group of people who believe that a god created the universe and then died?

Is that justa's unique definition of is it, or really an actual group of people that describes their belief? I've never heard of atheistic creationist community before. It sounds like an oxymoron.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

LOL, since things slowed down I looked at crazy's "source". As I thought it was a joke. It did not name any out of place fossils. All they could point to is some examples that have undergone little evolution for long periods of time. A "living fossil" does not mean the fossil life that it descended from is out of place. It usually refers to a genus or family that was thought to be extinct. Sometimes we are in error when we believe that. That is not an out of place fossil. There is nothing in the theory that says a family or genus has to go extinct.

And here we see the insidiousness of Darwinism. Even when out-of-place fossils are found, you just adjust the theory to fit. Even if we found your Precambrian Bunny, you'd just explain it away.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Is that justa's unique definition of is it, or really an actual group of people that describes their belief? I've never heard of atheistic creationist community before. It sounds like an oxymoron.

I guess a smiley would have shown this to be a sarcastic guess on my part. Justa's murdering of the English language makes anything possible.

 

[Delphiki]

Hmm...my money is on "troll".

I may sound like a conspiracy theorist here but...

I'm starting to think these trolls are just trying to get normal thinking people to call them idiots and other names so they can report them to the point of suspension or banning.

Is that plausible, or am I overestimating their guile?

 

[DerelictJunction]

And here we see the insidiousness of Darwinism. Even when out-of-place fossils are found, you just adjust the theory to fit. Even if we found your Precambrian Bunny, you'd just explain it away.

That's not what Subduction Zone wrote or even implied. Are reading skill deficiencies common among creationist writers?