Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous? (5)

[justlookinla]

Just likes to add a pinch here and a pinch there and what do you get; justlookinlaism.

Take a dose of truth here and a dose of truth there and you get theistic creation.

 

[justlookinla]

Has he entered the wall of FSTDT yet?

What's the "wall of FSTDT"? I know it's something good because you or the other folks who oppose those who oppose Darwinism would never stoop to mockery, ridicule and personal attacks.....right?

 

[justlookinla]

We need a different one for just. Like; fundies try to convince themselves of the craziest things.

Hey, there are some folks who's convinced that they are a cosmic accident. To each his/her own I guess.

 

[PsychoSarah]

What's the "wall of FSTDT"? I know it's something good because you or the other folks who oppose those who oppose Darwinism would never stoop to mockery, ridicule and personal attacks.....right?

It's a site called Fundies Say The Darnest Things.

Although the stuff you say might not be humorous enough really for that, you should check it out though some people really get crazy. And offensive.

 

[bhsmte]

Take a dose of truth here and a dose of truth there and you get theistic creation.

Well, that's how I became atheist to the Christian God, deciding I couldn't try to fool myself any longer and taking doses of truth instead.

 

[justlookinla]

-_- look, how many times do I have to repeat this to get it in your head? Evolution as taught in schools is not inherently atheistic, end of story, no gods mentioned as existing or not.

How many times do I have to point out that Darwinist creationism taught in schools is inherently atheistic? Everything other than purely, only, totally, completely, solely naturalistic processes to create humanity is disallowed. Not needed. Discarded.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hey, there are some folks who's convinced that they are a cosmic accident. To each his/her own I guess.

I was actually an accident, no matter how you look at it. The birth control failed :/

 

[justlookinla]

It's a site called Fundies Say The Darnest Things.

Although the stuff you say might not be humorous enough really for that, you should check it out though some people really get crazy. And offensive.

Oh, ok. Just your typical behavior from those who oppose those who oppose Darwinist creationism.

Carry on. There's nothing to see here.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How many times do I have to point out that Darwinist creationism taught in schools is inherently atheistic? Everything other than purely, only, totally, completely, solely naturalistic processes to create humanity is disallowed. Not needed. Discarded.

Fail, teachers in secular schools can't claim specific gods, but they also aren't allowed to discredit religion either.

 

[justlookinla]

Fail, teachers in secular schools can't claim specific gods, but they also aren't allowed to discredit religion either.

They are allowed to present the viewpoint that nothing other than naturalistic processes created humanity. Inherent atheist creationism.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Oh, ok. Just your typical behavior from those who oppose those who oppose Darwinist creationism.

Carry on. There's nothing to see here.

I don't oppose you. You irk me a little bit, sure, but I only do these debates when I am bored and have free time I need to kill. I really don't care that much what you think, I just like debating. And I get into it, sure.

 

[PsychoSarah]

They are allowed to present the viewpoint that nothing other than naturalistic processes created humanity. Inherent atheist creationism.

They are also allowed to teach the earth is round and orbits the sun, and that the moon itself doesn't give off light but reflects the light of the sun.


My biggest issue is not that you find evolution atheistic, it is that you single it out as somehow being different than any other scientific theory, when it isn't. Either you have to consider all science inherently atheistic, or allow for some compromise for all scientific theories, because overall evolution isn't particularly different in how it presents itself compared to other scientific theories.

 

[justlookinla]

They are also allowed to teach the earth is round and orbits the sun, and that the moon itself doesn't give off light but reflects the light of the sun.


My biggest issue is not that you find evolution atheistic, it is that you single it out as somehow being different than any other scientific theory, when it isn't. Either you have to consider all science inherently atheistic, or allow for some compromise for all scientific theories, because overall evolution isn't particularly different in how it presents itself compared to other scientific theories.

I consider any creationist teaching which disallows God in the creation of humanity to be an atheistic creationist teaching. As I pointed out, there is one and only one viewpoint of creationism allowed in schools, nothing else is permitted, nothing else is considered, all is discarded....except for the Darwinist creationist viewpoint that you and I, all humanity, all of life is the result, without exception, without question, of entirely naturalistic processes.

Like it or not, that's an inherently atheistic viewpoint of the creation of humanity.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I consider any creationist teaching which disallows God in the creation of humanity to be an atheistic creationist teaching. As I pointed out, there is one and only one viewpoint of creationism allowed in schools, nothing else is permitted, nothing else is considered, all is discarded....except for the Darwinist creationist viewpoint that you and I, all humanity, all of life is the result, without exception, without question, of entirely naturalistic processes.

Like it or not, that's an inherently atheistic viewpoint of the creation of humanity.

Except it doesn't forbid god from being involved,it just isn't assumed that a god is. How can you not tell that this position isn't atheistic?

 

[justlookinla]

Except it doesn't forbid god from being involved,it just isn't assumed that a god is. How can you not tell that this position isn't atheistic?

The current Darwinist creationist view is the only view allowed in schools though. It forbids any other viewpoint, demands no other viewpoint be considered, discards and rejects anything but the viewpoint that all of life we observe today is only by naturalistic processes. Creation by a process that is inherently Godless. God isn't needed in the process. Nothing but time, chance, and natural process is needed.

That's inherently atheistic creationism. Once again, that's teaching that humanity is, without question, ONLY the product of naturalistic processes.

I don't know how to make it any plainer.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The current Darwinist creationist view is the only view allowed in schools though. It forbids any other viewpoint, demands no other viewpoint be considered, discards and rejects anything but the viewpoint that all of life we observe today is only by naturalistic processes. Creation by a process that is inherently Godless. God isn't needed in the process. Nothing but time, chance, and natural process is needed.

That's inherently atheistic creationism. Once again, that's teaching that humanity is, without question, ONLY the product of naturalistic processes.

I don't know how to make it any plainer.

do you honestly think science classes tell students to assume all theories to be 100% correct? That defies the entire mechanism of scientific inquiry. The whole point of science is to question everything, to explore all possibilities, to think for oneself. Not to brainwash people into blindly accepting one narrow viewpoint.

 

[justlookinla]

do you honestly think science classes tell students to assume all theories to be 100% correct? That defies the entire mechanism of scientific inquiry. The whole point of science is to question everything, to explore all possibilities, to think for oneself. Not to brainwash people into blindly accepting one narrow viewpoint.

That's exactly what's being demanded by those who promote the viewpoint of an only naturalistic creationist model.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's exactly what's being demanded by those who promote the viewpoint of an only naturalistic creationist model.

Except that isn't true, not at least from my experience. Perhaps back when you were in school things were like that, but they don't appear to be that way currently. I have challenged the positions of teachers before, and even had such challenges be welcomed by the instructors.

 

[biggles53]

You do realise, don't you Sarah, that you will never change these people' minds...?

All you can hope for is that the lurkers, the people who may not yet have made up their minds about the nature of the world, might pause to consider what you have to say...and, more importantly, the evidence you reference...

Because, clowns like this are beyond reach...

I would venture to say that NO amount of evidence will convince them....none. Their world view is not based upon evidence....it's built upon an emotional need to feel that their life will continue after this one, just as they have been promised by the same religion that informs them that everything around them is relatively new and was all created in a twinkling of an eye, and primarily for their benefit...

Evidence cannot penetrate such a mindset...we have all been treated, for example, to AV's curse that 'science can take a hike' and even that cold evidence itself can 'take a hike'...

They won't change....all we can do is be patient and wait for the last of them to die out.....it won't be long....

 

[Shemjaza]

Except that isn't true, not at least from my experience. Perhaps back when you were in school things were like that, but they don't appear to be that way currently. I have challenged the positions of teachers before, and even had such challenges be welcomed by the instructors.

Remember you are arguing with a guy whose chosen avatar is a magazine he never read that he assumes is against him.

Telling.