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Why I'm Orthodox . . . and why others may want to be too.
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Iollain said:Maybe they have clown juice mixed in their eggnog
hey I posted this in a thread I do not want to get into
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when the Vatican Catholic Church or a member of it shows me that the following doctrines were taught by the Early Church, I'll believe that it is the one true Church founded by Christ:
1. The supremacy of the Patriarch of Rome over the universal Church, his being the Vicar of Christ, and his infallibility as a teacher of the universal church.
2. the immaculate conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary
3. purgatory
4. the definition of the transformation of the elements of the Eucharist into the Body and Blood of the Lord (I know the Early Church taught the Real Presence, but it didn't teach transubstantiation)
I'll start with these, when quotes from the Apostles and the early Church Fathers are given to show that these beliefs and practices were universally held by the early church, I'll start even considering that the Vatican Catholic Church may be the Church founded by Christ.
1. The supremacy of the Patriarch of Rome over the universal Church, his being the Vicar of Christ, and his infallibility as a teacher of the universal church.
2. the immaculate conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary
3. purgatory
4. the definition of the transformation of the elements of the Eucharist into the Body and Blood of the Lord (I know the Early Church taught the Real Presence, but it didn't teach transubstantiation)
I'll start with these, when quotes from the Apostles and the early Church Fathers are given to show that these beliefs and practices were universally held by the early church, I'll start even considering that the Vatican Catholic Church may be the Church founded by Christ.
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GraceInHim
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CaDan said:
hey - I would not go outside of this, wierd nite - must be a fool moon
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Iollain said:
Iollian, this is the Pauline Priviledge we talked about earlier . . .
What I said earlier is just as true right now . .
What Paul is speaking of is the ending of a NON sacramental marriage. . a marriage that was not brought before God to join together . . it was done when they were heathens . . . they were joined by man, not God.
Divorce in such a situation leaves the believing spouse free to marry . . .
The reason this is not a contradiction to Jesus' command is that Jesus said what GOD has joined together, let no man put assunder.
The operative word there is "God"
The marriage Paul is speaking of was not put together by God, but by man.
What man puts together, man can put assunder . . . Marriages among the heathans were not convenants, but legal contracts . . put together by man apart from God.
So no . . this prepresnts no exception to Jesus' words and command and warning to us.
Peace to all
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Greg the byzantine said:Catholic-Orthodox
Orthodox Pokes Catholic ..... Catholic pokes back back and forth back and forth they poke and poke and poke.
God
Don't you make me come down there
Catholic-Orthodox
RLFOF!
Greg I love you! I need a good laugh!Now, you know, we have record of who started it .. we can point to the OP . ..
Peace to all
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made by Arnotts. shapes, bbq flavour, these ones are little hexagon shaped biscuits, with barbecue flavouring.
don't you have them over the pond? sorry for all those missing out. i've almost finished the box now.
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pjw said:
They sound good to me.
But I'm omnivorous. It even says so in my CF profile, so you know it must be true!
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CaDan said:
Italians, they do not eat meat on Fridays - every Christmas Eve is the 7 seafood dinner and on we have to eat a spoonful of lentils which are cooked like beans.
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jameseb said:
Where do you get "Marital unfaithfulness" from? Why are we concerned about how this can be defined?
Yes we can and we already have . . . if you take time to read through the thread and read the evidence that has been presented in our defense, and the arguments that have been made in defense of Orthodox belief regarding remarriage after divorce, our claims are well justified.
We have posted some of the history behind the changing of the doctrine in the East . . . it is not in line with the Early Church at all.
Biblical defense is first predicated on Jesus' teaching, command, and warning.
What God has joined together let no man put assunder.
He that divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. He that marries her commits adultery.
He that divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. He that marries her commits adultery.
Now, what no orthodox poster here has been able to do is prove why the Orthodox Church has the right
- to put assunder what God has joined together, and
- to permit divorced people from marriages which God joined together to remarry and commit the sin of audltery.
Please explain this.
Peace to all
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except their biscuits. front of box rant reads: BAKED NOT FRIED. Arnott's SHaPeS(TM) Barbecue. Flavour You Can See (TM). 200g net. and ingredients list reads: wheat flour, vegetable oil, tomato powder, milk solids, salt, thickener, flavouring, yeast, spices, vegetables (onion, garlic) humectant, parsley, glucose, worcestershire sauce (then its ingredients), raising agents, vegetable extract (corn, soy), flavour enhancer (not msg), emulsifier. may contain traces of nut, egg, or seed.
and it's delicious!!!
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