Why I'm Orthodox . . . and why others may want to be too.

[GraceInHim]

Tomorrow will be the 16th which means we have 9 days til Christmas. Is everyone ready for Christmas ??

nope... do not like to shop... last minute person... but I did ask for a laptop

 

[Debi1967]

Oh yeah do not forget to post all that wonderful stuff in the Christian Love ... we are all United thread I have so that people can read it .... All those wonderful Peaceful things we are supposed to be centering on ....
http://www.christianforums.com/t2395745-christian-love-we-are-all-united.html
Love to ALL

 

[thereselittleflower]

Um . . . it this a trick question? I guess He does.

Well, there we have it then . . .


God violates His Own Laws.


If that is true, then anything is possible and anyone can convnce themselves that God will violate His Own Laws for them. This can be used to justify anything in the name of God.


Please prove to me that God violates His Own Laws.

I mean, we must truly be contrite for breaking our marriage commitment, but God doesn't despise sinners, He shows them mercy.

Yes, He forgives. . . that doesn't mean He dissovles the covenant entered into by the 2 people He has just forgiven. It means their sins are forgiven. Not that their convenant has been dissolved.


To do so requires that God violate His Own Laws . . . you think He does this . .


Please prove He does this. . . .




Peace to all

 

[JimfromOhio]

Well, there we have it then . . .


God violates His Own Laws.


If that is true, then anything is possible and anyone can convnce themselves that God will violate His Own Laws for them. This can be used to justify anything in the name of God.


Please prove to me that God violates His Own Laws.





Yes, He forgives. . . that doesn't mean He dissovles the covenant entered into by the 2 people He has just forgiven. It means their sins are forgiven. Not that their convenant has been dissolved.


To do so requires that God violate His Own Laws . . . you think He does this . .


Please prove He does this. . . .




Peace to all

Yep.. she is still at it.

 

[JimfromOhio]

More sugar anyone? I mean cookies?

 

[CaDan]

Maybe just one or two . . . .

And we have more eggnog, too. Both "adult" and childrens' formula.

 

[GraceInHim]

I think she is better off staying in here anyway -

 

[CaDan]

Well, there we have it then . . .


God violates His Own Laws.


If that is true, then anything is possible and anyone can convnce themselves that God will violate His Own Laws for them. This can be used to justify anything in the name of God.


Please prove to me that God violates His Own Laws.





Yes, He forgives. . . that doesn't mean He dissovles the covenant entered into by the 2 people He has just forgiven. It means their sins are forgiven. Not that their convenant has been dissolved.


To do so requires that God violate His Own Laws . . . you think He does this . .


Please prove He does this. . . .




Peace to all

[bible]Romans 8:2[/bible]

Now, have a cookie.

 

[JimfromOhio]

[bible]Romans 8:2[/bible]

Now, have a cookie.

If she does not want a cookie, can I have it?

 

[Debi1967]

Yep.. she is still at it.

Just leave her be I was just on the phone with her and just hung up ....

Her belief is that we can either do two things sit back and do nothing or keep at them and keep making them accountable for their words.

As far as me I have had my fill as of late and I am stepping back so therefore, unless it is absolutely necessary then I will not do it.... AS I posted in the other thread I do believe there has to be better ways of doing this then preaching to no one .... in reality IMHO, right now that is what my Sister is doing but, it is her choice not mine to make ....

She believes she is doing the right thing so therefore her heart is in the right place ....

I guess I just have lost my stomach for it all

Lovingly
Debi

 

[Polycarp1]

Just leave her be I was just on the phone with her and just hung up ....

Her belief is that we can either do two things sit back and do nothing or keep at them and keep making them accountable for their words.

As far as me I have had my fill as of late and I am stepping back so therefore, unless it is absolutely necessary then I will not do it.... AS I posted in the other thread I do believe there has to be better ways of doing this then preaching to no one .... in reality IMHO, right now that is what my Sister is doing but, it is her choice not mine to make ....

She believes she is doing the right thing so therefore her heart is in the right place ....

I guess I just have lost my stomach for it all

Lovingly
Debi

@ Debi
God's love became human in this season; thank you for witnessing to that for us.

 

[JimfromOhio]

@ Debi
God's love became human in this season; thank you for witnessing to that for us.

Amen

 

[JimfromOhio]

Looks like we are slowing down and its doubtful that we will reach 1,000th posts by mightnight

 

[GraceInHim]

beep beep - comes in at 2am... lol

hey - early this morning we got bomb-barded in here with like 9 newbies posting dirty stuff, and bad words... it was wierd... like the demons flew in here..

 

[lmnop9876]

mmmm... well, you may get a thousand up before midnight in australia, it's only 3:30pm at the moment here (but it's friday here now. )

 

[thereselittleflower]

No, Terese. You are among the last people on this board I would ever have suspected of being a "Nine Commandment Christian" (a sarcastic phrase usually directed at Protestant fundamentalists meaning they dropped the one about bearing false witness, if you weren't aware).

Polycarp, I have born no false witness. Please do not falsely accuse me like this.

Basil attacked our Church in his OP . . He knows it, he personally attacked me and basically told me to come back to the Orthodox Church before it was too late .. basically saying I was going to helll unless I did.

Now, he apologized for all of this . . . It really happened. Then it started up all over again . . .

But Basil started a thread to witness to why he had found a church home in Orthodoxy. In the course of that, he of course had to explain their claim to be the original church, from which everyone else has schismed. With you having done that song and dance about Catholicism enough, I'm sure you recognized the tune and steps, even when set to an Eastern tempo.

There is no need to explain why your Church is the true Church by having to attack others if it is indeed the true Church. no Polycarp . . you may wish to ignore it, but the claims made against our Church to support why he is Othodox and why others should consider it too only undermined his claim. The fact that he never supported them with objective evidence when asked for it made it even more evident. Contrary to what you claim happened here, people did notice and commented on it in the thread.

Then you, Shelby, Jason, and a few others showed up and began bemoaning that woe, it's just another attack on Catholicism.

No Polycarp . . we wanted him to provide objective evidence, which he never did.

Well, let me explain this to you in the simplest of terms.

By your own church's teachings, grace is not reserved to practicing Catholics. By your own church's teachings, the Orthodox are guilty of at most schism, and are in full communion with the Catholic Church as far as it itself is concerned (cf. Paul VI).

No Polycarp, they are not in full communion . .that is why they are in schism.

The person doing all the attacking in this thread has been you -- with assists credited to Jason and Shelby. And I would venture to guess that in the eyes of every non-Catholic involved here, and I'd bet at least one Catholic, you have won the battle but lost the war.

Polycarp . . why is it OK with you that people can attack our faith and not provide objective evidence to back it up when requeted to do so?

Why is it OK with you that people can make claims that their Church has never changed its doctrines but don't have to back it up?

Why is it that insistance that they do so is turned into accusations that we are attacking them?


Why is it that when we are put into the position of defending the truth that we are the attackers and everyone would rather we just crawl into a hole in the ground somewhere and let everyone else have a hayday at our expense?

Jesus Christ himself gave us the touchstone to know who His true disciples were, and where truth can be found. It's in the 13th chapter of John.

Jesus also turned over the Money Changers, spoke in direct, forceful manners with the Pharisees, called them names even .. but alwasy spoke the truth . .

TRUTH MATTERS Polycarp . ..

What saddens me is how little it matters to some here . . .

And you have been showing Christian charity, grace, and mercy to such an extent that Fred Phelps is taking notes in envy of your skill.

Right . . And this demonstrates what fruit of the Spirit exactly Polycarp?

Can you show me where this is in the bible?

It is not for me to say this, but I sincerely think you need to repent, get off your high horse, and start acting like a Christian woman instead of the Arbiter of Catholic Doctrine to whom Pope Benedict looks when he needs to be set straight about something.

You are right, you should not have said it , . . . you are out of line.

Forgive me, but a little straight talk of the Dutch Uncle variety seemed called for.

It's not straight talk Polycarp . . it is personal attack.

You don't like what has been said in this thread . . you do not agree with our positions on some things, in fact, you are highly offended by it . . . then you have made it personal.

That is your choice. I choose not to reciprocate.


Bless you



Peace to all

 

[JimfromOhio]

Well... its 11:37 pm thursday night for me. I am going to turn in. I will check in the morning to see if this thread reach 1,000th posts.

 

[lmnop9876]

roman catholicism's defining of non-essential beliefs and practices which have never been universally accepted by the orthodox, apostolic, catholic church (no church meant in particular, just the church as a whole) is contrary to the practice of the early church, as is the roman patriarch's claims to supremacy over the whole church and infallibility in teaching. this means that the roman catholic church is the one that has to prove that it has maintained and upheld the true apostolic faith.

 

[jameseb]

No . .it is based on the words of Christ and the clear teaching of the Early Church on the matter which the Orthodox have departed from.

Really?

"Marital unfaithfulness". Now correct me if I'm wrong, but that can be broadly defined as a spouse that has an extramarital affair, or as a spouse that is unsupportive, unloving and unwilling to fulfill their marital vows. What you are doing is holding Roman Catholic doctrines against those of the Orthodox Church so that you may legitimize your claim that the Orthodox Church blesses and sanctifies the marriage of adulterers. What you can't do is Biblically support your claims.

It is a slippery slope you are all on . . .

My faith, my Church and my beliefs are on firm footing, I assure you. However, the direction you have turned this thread is indeed a slippery slope...

 

[Iollain]

beep beep - comes in at 2am... lol

hey - early this morning we got bomb-barded in here with like 9 newbies posting dirty stuff, and bad words... it was wierd... like the demons flew in here..

People into the clown juice again