Why I'm Orthodox . . . and why others may want to be too.

[GraceInHim]

No it wasn’t.. your comment about needing a piece of paper to be married in the Catholic Church needed to be called on because it was a backhanded slap to the church. Like I said, you do not need a piece of paper- you need a bridegroom who is not already married.

how is it a backslap since I left the Church? and you called me a sneak...

beep beep -

 

[JimfromOhio]

Why are you taking this so personally? I don’t about your marriage if uit was or wasn’t valid. I can only say why the Church would grant an annulment freeing someone to marry again.

Because someone (not you) in this thread have made this a hot topic. Almost every thread I have been into regarding marriage/divorce, that person is there.

 

[jameseb]

I'm all for the mysterious but what Jesus said was sin is no mystery to us.

It is no mystery to us either...

 

[GraceInHim]

Because someone (not you) in this thread have made this a hot topic. Almost every thread I have been into regarding marriage/divorce, that person is there.

shhhsh, do not mention your truth about your past... might get marked... he he he

love you brother

we love Catholics... we have many in the family... they are loved

 

[Benedicta00]

Terese, I do not agree, the purpose of this thread is NOT about remarriage... it is about a member of CF who wanted to discuss his belief and the beliefs of the Eastern Orthodox church.

You have used this thread to discuss how you personally feel that a woman who has been beaten and abandoned even if she is young, say 20 years old and to say that she can never remarry for the rest of her life... and is instead to remain alone and lonely forever while alive....

That is cruel and heartless. And I will point out to you that it is NOT how the Roman Catholic faith would deal with her. She would be allowed to get an annulment and to remarry again.

In EO we do not do annulments. We have confession and a time of pennance and Spiritual Direction by our Priest in who in turn consults with the Bishop over them.

Then, in some circumstances the woman is allowed to remarry... but the next wedding sacriment is not the same as an original marriage sacriment... It includes continued prayers of forgiveness.

This process is a healing process, not a legal process.

I would love to know where Theresa, the Catholic Church, or any one else who is Catholic in this thread said they take that position?

We are specifically asking where does the EO get the power from to say confession and penance will dissolve a God made marriag and we recive no answer- just told that we are heartless…

 

[thereselittleflower]

While you two are high-fiving, I'm sure the lonely divorced woman who's husband beat the snot out of, is not quite as enthusiatic, while she sits stroking her cats and looking out the window, lonley, having a crisis of faith.

Good job.

Basil

Now apply that misplaced compassion to a man with horrible gangrene in his leg whose only hope for survival is to have his leg amputated before it spreads further . . . but the person is too traumatized by the thought of losing their leg.

What kind of doctor would say "I won't take your leg because it is too traumatizing to you if I do so - I will spare you the knife. It is better for you that I do this rather than admiinser the usual cure. Since the prospect of living without your leg is too traumatic for you to bear, I think it is better to let you keep your leg and see if we can help you come to terms with the gangrene. Perhaps that way we can keep it from killing you."


Doesn't that sound absurd?


Do you begin to see what misplaced compassion and 'mercy' can do?



Peace to all

 

[Benedicta00]

Because someone (not you) in this thread have made this a hot topic. Almost every thread I have been into regarding marriage/divorce, that person is there.

Well you were mistaken because I am only giving the objective reasons why the Church will do an annulment... It has nothing to do with you, I have no clue and it’s not my concern about your marital status .

 

[Benedicta00]

how is it a backslap since I left the Church? and you called me a sneak...

beep beep -

Because you are showing your contempt by claiming the Church requires something it doesn’t- it does not require a piece of paper to marry you if you were married before. It requires that you find out if the marriage was ever there to begin with. It’s not all about the paper and you want to spin to make it sound like it is.

 

[Loukuss]

I have heard of equally disturbing things, like bishops hiring assassin to bump off brother bishops.

ONE case! ONE. thats all you got. Do you know how many times I've heard of Catholic preists molesting little boys? Thousands. Thats sick. That proves to me that there is something seriously sick in the catholic church. It may not for other people, but it does for me.

The sins of the clergy and hiding behind them actually proves nothing for anyone’s side. Catholic, Protestant and EO. Pedophilia is not a Catholic only problem, it is society’s problem because priests are not the only ones who hurt kids, their own fathers at times… Protestant ministers have done this, Rabbis have and EO clerics have too-

While there is a problem with pedophilia in society, nowhere do we see it so prevalent than in the catholic church. Then, when the problem has been found out, the catholic church sends the priest to some other parish. THATS RIDICULOUS! Anyone that destroys the innocence of a child deserves NO place of authority in the church. They deserve to be locked away, and the key thrown away. If they are really sorry, they can spend the rest of their lives writing letters from prison to those they hurt.

it proves what? Nothing as far as the validity of the faith is concerned

It proves that there is a sickness in the catholic church that you and every other catholic I've talked to denies. A sickness that your own church just sweeps under the rug.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Sorry for the sarchasm, but you two are being slick at misrepresenting the Orthodox postion--some serious strawen being beat up.

Basil

Expose them then Basil .. .

We are the ones who are keeping the discussion focused . . . you and others have errected straw men . . . and we have exposed them . . .


This is just a red herring . . . where is the evidence of the straw man arguments you claim we make?


Peace to all

 

[JimfromOhio]

Expose them then Basil .. .

We are the ones who are keeping the discussion focused . . . you and others have errected straw men . . . and we have exposed them . . .


This is just a red herring . . . where is the evidence of the straw man arguments you claim we make?


Peace to all

And they say we are bashing the Catholics !!

 

[vanshan]

I Nothing as far as the validity of the faith is concerned.

I know why you want to think so.


I agree that this happens in greater society, but the pervert on the corner doesn't have the position of a priest, and the hierarchy in place to remove him to protect others. The Roman Church failed to remove these priests from posts where they would have access to children to fondle. It's unexusable, and pointing fingers to other groups, who I believe honestly don't have the problem to near the same degree, is just trying to shift the focus off the atrocity of what has happened uniquely in the Roman Catholic religion.

Basil

 

[Benedicta00]

ONE case! ONE. thats all you got. Do you know how many times I've heard of Catholic preists molesting little boys? Thousands. Thats sick. That proves to me that there is something seriously sick in the catholic church. It may not for other people, but it does for me.



While there is a problem with pedophilia in society, nowhere do we see it so prevalent than in the catholic church. Then, when the problem has been found out, the catholic church sends the priest to some other parish. THATS RIDICULOUS! Anyone that destroys the innocence of a child deserves NO place of authority in the church. They deserve to be locked away, and the key thrown away. If they are really sorry, they can spend the rest of their lives writing letters from prison to those they hurt.




It proves that there is a sickness in the catholic church that you and every other catholic I've talked to denies. A sickness that your own church just sweeps under the rug.

If you think sin is only rampart in the Catholic Church then I have some prime real estate above sea level to sell you here in New Orleans.

Murder for hire is water down because it was only one time? What about being in cahoots with drug dealers? What about fixing trials, getting to the judges and jurors? This does not sound like Christ’s Church to me, it’s sound like the mafia

 

[geocajun]

Honestly, I mean the whole premise of this thread is about why "its better to be Eastern Orthodox, and others should be too."
It was by design, meant to be a big pot-shot at everyone else, and a glorification of the EO.
However since catholics have shown up and defended the real orthodox Christian teaching it's become another topic entirely - one of everyone "lets all accuse catholics of doing what the EO set out to do!"

 

[Benedicta00]

I know why you want to think so.


I agree that this happens in greater society, but the pervert on the corner doesn't have the position of a priest, and the hierarchy in place to remove him to protect others. The Roman Church failed to remove these priests from posts where they would have access to children to fondle. It's unexusable, and pointing fingers to other groups, who I believe honestly don't have the problem to near the same degree, is just trying to shift the focus off the atrocity of what has happened uniquely in the Roman Catholic religion.

Basil

N/M i will not engage in this.

 

[JimfromOhio]

doncha love it when folks show up around post #650, and then take something from 50 posts back in a vacuum, like nothing else was said to explain it, and then you get to repeat the process all over again.

I went into the list and copied/pasted the posters frequent posts. Here's the list.

Shelb5 108
vanshan 93
thereselittleflower 80
geocajun 48
Iollain 44
CaDan 43
GraceInHim 42
eoe 20
JimfromOhio 17
VNVnation 16
nephilimiyr 15
stone 12
tall73 11
LucasGoltz 10
InnerPhyre 9
djns9437 9
contriteHeart 8
Albion 6
Annabel Lee 6
Aloha Joe 5
Polycarp1 5
Isaiah 53 5
fragmentsofdreams 5
debiwebi 4
Canadian75 4
jameseb 4
prodromos 4
ammagedon 4
Gods Revenger 4
thornygrace 3
seebs 3
frumanchu 3
Warrior Poet 2
revrobor 2
injesuschrist 2
A. believer 2
AwesomeMachine 2
Perceivence 2
CaliforniaJosiah 1
RottenApple 1
proud2bcatholic 1
Axion 1
Espada 1
Mea Culpa 1
jonas3 1
TheDag 1
intricatic 1
Longing4Home 1
franky67 1
U R my Sonshine 1
twosid 1

 

[Loukuss]

If you think sin is only rampart in the Catholic Church then I have some prime real estate above sea level to sell you here in New Orleans.

Is that a cleverly disguised ad hominem attack I see there?

Murder for hire is water down because it was only one time? What about being in cahoots with drug dealers? What about fixing trials, getting to the judges and jurors? This does not sound like Christ’s Church to me, it’s sound like the mafia

You know what? The orthodox church ain't my to defend, so you can go to town. I like how you ignored the rest of my post though. Its speaks volumes...

 

[Benedicta00]

Is that a cleverly disguised ad hominem attack I see there?




You know what? The orthodox church ain't my to defend, so you can go to town. I like how you ignored the rest of my post though. Its speaks volumes...

It does speak volumes, I’m not going there, I am just pointing out your illogical justification for thinking our sins are greater than anyone’s else. In a way they are because to who much is given much is expected but the other Christian faiths are just as sinful if not more and exposing it proves nothing other that to justify the atheists atheism.

 

[geocajun]

I know why you want to think so.


I agree that this happens in greater society, but the pervert on the corner doesn't have the position of a priest, and the hierarchy in place to remove him to protect others. The Roman Church failed to remove these priests from posts where they would have access to children to fondle. It's unexusable, and pointing fingers to other groups, who I believe honestly don't have the problem to near the same degree, is just trying to shift the focus off the atrocity of what has happened uniquely in the Roman Catholic religion.

Basil

This is truley pathetic - you should be ashamed of yourself.

Keeping in mind to those whome much is given, much is expected, I can say with certainty that my Church clergy who were engaged in this scandelous and sinful behavior have, and will pay dearly for their sins, both in this life and the next.

With that said, Your own church does the same exact thing, but since your church is reletiveley small in comparison, nobody has noticed. Folks expect more from Catholics and that is why they are so scandalized when Catholics do something wrong. Folks don't expect more form you guys cause in general they don't know who you are.
If we were to compare percentages of sinful behavior however, i'm sure we come up even or better.
Now take the plank out of your own eye before addressing the one in mine.

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Do we need to continue pointing fingers to tear each other down, are will you cease and desist on this subject like you said you would earlier but lied?
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[Loukuss]

I went into the list and copied/pasted the posters frequent posts. Here's the list.

Shelb5 108
vanshan 93
thereselittleflower 80
geocajun 48
Iollain 44
CaDan 43
GraceInHim 42
eoe 20
JimfromOhio 17
VNVnation 16
nephilimiyr 15
stone 12
tall73 11
LucasGoltz 10
InnerPhyre 9
djns9437 9
contriteHeart 8
Albion 6
Annabel Lee 6
Aloha Joe 5
Polycarp1 5
Isaiah 53 5
fragmentsofdreams 5
debiwebi 4
Canadian75 4
jameseb 4
prodromos 4
ammagedon 4
Gods Revenger 4
thornygrace 3
seebs 3
frumanchu 3
Warrior Poet 2
revrobor 2
injesuschrist 2
A. believer 2
AwesomeMachine 2
Perceivence 2
CaliforniaJosiah 1
RottenApple 1
proud2bcatholic 1
Axion 1
Espada 1
Mea Culpa 1
jonas3 1
TheDag 1
intricatic 1
Longing4Home 1
franky67 1
U R my Sonshine 1
twosid 1

YES!!!

I broke the TOP 15!

In your face everyone underneath me!