Why I'm Orthodox . . . and why others may want to be too.

[InnerPhyre]

Your still a protestant!

It is unbecoming of you to throw around insults. According to the Pope of Rome and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, we are not protestants and you know that very well (or should know that if you hold the same faith as the icon you wear).

Now can we all stop this ****ing match?

 

[InnerPhyre]

This is really sickening. I'm sure or Lord is very pleased with all of us sitting here at our computers throwing bricks and spitting venom at each other when we should be fasting and repenting. What a wonderful job we're doing of preparing for the feast of the Nativity. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us and save us.

 

[revrobor]

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(Mat 18:17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

(Act 2:47) Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

(Act 5:11) And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

(Act 7:38) This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

(Act 8:1) And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

(Act 8:3) As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

(Act 11:22) Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

(Act 11:26) And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

(Act 12:1) Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.

(Act 12:5) Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

(Act 13:1) Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

(Act 14:23) And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

(Act 14:27) And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

(Act 15:3) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

(Act 15:4) And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

(Act 15:22) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

(Act 18:22) And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.

(Act 20:17) And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.

(Act 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

(Rom 16:1) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

(Rom 16:5) Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

(Rom 16:23) Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.

(1Co 1:2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

(1Co 4:17) For this cause have I sent unto you Timothy, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

(1Co 6:4) If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

(1Co 10:32) Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

(1Co 11:18) For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

(1Co 11:22) What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

(1Co 12:28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

(1Co 14:4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

(1Co 14:5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

(1Co 14:12) Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

(1Co 14:19) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

(1Co 14:23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

(1Co 14:28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

(1Co 14:35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

(1Co 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

(1Co 16:19) The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

(2Co 1:1) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

(Gal 1:13) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

(Eph 1:22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

(Eph 3:10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

(Eph 3:21) Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

(Eph 5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

(Eph 5:24) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

(Eph 5:25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

(Eph 5:27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

(Eph 5:29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

(Eph 5:32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

(Phi 3:6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

(Phi 4:15) Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

(Col 1:24) Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

(Col 4:15) Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

(Col 4:16) And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

(1Th 1:1) Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

(2Th 1:1) Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

(1Ti 3:5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

(1Ti 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

(1Ti 5:16) If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

(Phm 1:2) And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the church in thy house:

(Heb 2:12) Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

(Jam 5:14) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

(1Pe 5:13) The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Mark my son.

(3Jo 1:6) Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:

(3Jo 1:9) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

(3Jo 1:10) Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

(Rev 2:1) Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

(Rev 2:8) And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

(Rev 2:12) And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

(Rev 2:18) And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

(Rev 3:1) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

(Rev 3:7) And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

(Rev 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

"Church" in all of these verses refers to the BODY OF BELIEVERS not the non-profit, religious organization (denominational or otherwise) we call church. There are many who misunderstand these verses as referring to some religious organization. But that's just not true. We need to understand the difference between "Church" (the Body of Believers) and "church" (the religious organization).

 

[InnerPhyre]

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(Mat 18:17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

(Act 2:47) Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

(Act 5:11) And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

(Act 7:38) This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

(Act 8:1) And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

(Act 8:3) As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

(Act 11:22) Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

(Act 11:26) And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

(Act 12:1) Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.

(Act 12:5) Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

(Act 13:1) Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

(Act 14:23) And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

(Act 14:27) And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

(Act 15:3) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

(Act 15:4) And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

(Act 15:22) Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

(Act 18:22) And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.

(Act 20:17) And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.

(Act 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

(Rom 16:1) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

(Rom 16:5) Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

(Rom 16:23) Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.

(1Co 1:2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

(1Co 4:17) For this cause have I sent unto you Timothy, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

(1Co 6:4) If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

(1Co 10:32) Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

(1Co 11:18) For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

(1Co 11:22) What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

(1Co 12:28) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

(1Co 14:4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

(1Co 14:5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

(1Co 14:12) Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

(1Co 14:19) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

(1Co 14:23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

(1Co 14:28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

(1Co 14:35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

(1Co 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

(1Co 16:19) The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

(2Co 1:1) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

(Gal 1:13) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

(Eph 1:22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

(Eph 3:10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

(Eph 3:21) Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

(Eph 5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

(Eph 5:24) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

(Eph 5:25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

(Eph 5:27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

(Eph 5:29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

(Eph 5:32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

(Phi 3:6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

(Phi 4:15) Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

(Col 1:24) Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

(Col 4:15) Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

(Col 4:16) And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

(1Th 1:1) Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

(2Th 1:1) Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

(1Ti 3:5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

(1Ti 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

(1Ti 5:16) If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

(Phm 1:2) And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the church in thy house:

(Heb 2:12) Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

(Jam 5:14) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

(1Pe 5:13) The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Mark my son.

(3Jo 1:6) Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:

(3Jo 1:9) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

(3Jo 1:10) Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

(Rev 2:1) Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

(Rev 2:8) And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

(Rev 2:12) And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

(Rev 2:18) And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

(Rev 3:1) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

(Rev 3:7) And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

(Rev 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

"Church" in all of these verses refers to the BODY OF BELIEVERS not the non-profit, religious organization (denominational or otherwise) we call church. There are many who misunderstand these verses as referring to some religious organization. But that's just not true. We need to understand the difference between "Church" (the Body of Believers) and "church" (the religious organization).

Of course it refers to the body of believers. There was only one church back then. There were no denominations. Both the Orthodox and Catholic churches claim that they have each preserved the faith in its original form and that all other churches have rejected, in some form, that original faith.

I think this thread started off with good intentions, but we all know where good intentions lead. I think it should be shut down.

 

[Benedicta00]

Shelb,
I am sure that it was unintentional but by saying that an EO is anti-catholic youare saying that the EO church is not catholic. As the EO church is catholic we can not in fact be anti-catholic....

The truth is:
You have better hats and we have better beards.
Either you believe that Rome is in schism or that the other 4 patriarchs left the true church. On this there will be no agreement. It is a topic on which we as EO or RC must take sides. It does not mean that we can not love one another tho.

You are the Orthodox Church, we are the Catholic Church. There are some, a small number in comparison of EO members who are anti Catholic; there are some Catholic members who are anti Orthodox.

It s just the way it is but for the most part Catholics do have a higher opinion of Orthodox and consider us to be one but in schism rather than thinking the other is damned.

 

[Benedicta00]

Oh, no I've never been surpized by the sin of anyone, although I'm the chief of sinners. No man can act as sole vicar of Christ on earth, because men are all fallible. That's another good reason why the Orthodox don't have a pope--the existence of a single man as head, aside from Christ invites corruption and error, but as a Roman Catholic I guess I don't need to tell you that.

Basil

As long you understand that the brining up the sins of the Church gets one no where. It proves nothing as far is who is the true Church.

 

[Benedicta00]

We shouild all live with the knowledge we may die anytime . . . it is ominous, but true. Who would want to die outside Christ's Church, if there really is one Church that was established by Him?

And we’re not outside of it, thank you very much.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Do you deny the RC teaches infallibility of the Pope, Papal Supremecy, original sin, substitutionary atonement, purgatory, and indulgences?





This seems simple enough to settle. You are objecting to a question being asked when an answer to it would seem to be the way to go.

I mean, if the Roman Catholic Church DOES NOT teach infallibility of the Pope, Papal Supremecy, original sin, substitutionary atonement, purgatory, and indulgences, it should be easy enough to substantiate from the Catrechism or the Catholic Encyclopedia, for instance. Or you could start us off with by answering the question in the negative and pointing out what the Roman Catholic Church does teacch and believe regarding Purgatory and Original Sin, for instance.

Straw Man . . you are just perpetuating Vanshan's straw man .. . .



Peace to all

 

[Iollain]

Of course it refers to the body of believers. There was only one church back then. There were no denominations. Both the Orthodox and Catholic churches claim that they have each preserved the faith in its original form and that all other churches have rejected, in some form, that original faith.

What would have been if people called Christians had not killed others in the name of religion? There would be a lot more visible Christians in history.

You fellers go prancing about saying, 'we are the Church', yet there have been men who have had Scripture, who started to see the truth in the Book, who were wiped out by 'christians'.

 

[CaDan]

Oh please Basil . . this shows no genuine grasp of the issues at all . . . yet you presume to argue with us about them . . .


Please stop relying on the anti-Catholic rhetoric and historical revisionist propganda you use . .


No OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE yet Basil . . . . . .



Just empty claims . . . . .



Peace to all

vanshan and I resolved our issues about 40 posts ago. There is no need to bring them back to life.

I urge you to relax and lay off the ellipsis.

 

[GraceInHim]

which came first the chicken or the egg - LOL

 

[CaDan]

What would have been if people called Christians had not killed others in the name of religion? There would be a lot more visible Christians in history.

You fellers go prancing about saying, 'we are the Church', yet there have been men who have had Scripture, who started to see the truth in the Book, who were wiped out by 'christians'.

There is plenty of blood to go around. The fields of German were well-watered with it.

Wouldn't it be great to stop the bleeding?

But call me crazy.

 

[Iollain]

To your final question let me phrase it a little differently. Which worship do you think God likes more: a person self-indulgently singing "worship" songs to gratify their own emotional needs through carefully orchestrated, manmade worship services, or someone who loves and reveres God so greatly that they even approach holy images of Christ, trace the sign of His Holy Cross over themselves in adoration of Him, and lovingly kiss the icon, which is a physical symbol of He who sits at the right hand of God the Father, worshipping according to the way that Christ Himself passed down in His Church, in which men are united to Christ through communion at each service, by a miracle of God's Spirit.

Worship was created to praise God, inspire adoration, and to mystically make us one with Christ, which is done through communion. Any ecstatic worship and clever preaching is empty without the ability to bring the Holy Things to God's people through a valid communion. Otherwise they are just singing and talking, but are not leading people into the Life in Christ God had brought to mankind in Christ. They entire point of Christ's Incarnation is lost--those churches are then irrelevant to men. It would be better to stay home and watch nature programs on PBS and be inspired by God's wonder, than to be deluded to think the preachers in those churches are really giving you all Christ has to give.

Basil

God will bring it, not man. So sorry you feel that all non orthodox worship is below your new holy station.

God is fully capable to Bring It, He does not need man to bring Him, the Spirit goes where He will.

 

[CaDan]

which came first the chicken or the egg - LOL

There was a farmer had a dog
And Bingo was his name-o!

Was Bingo the farmer or the dog?

 

[GraceInHim]

There was a farmer had a dog
And Bingo was his name-o!

Was Bingo the farmer or the dog?

hey never thought of that one - pretty good

 

[thereselittleflower]

Therese, this is not the Church you think it is. You have said youself that you were Orthodox as a child--it is time to come home. You may have left for the best of reasons, thinking you were finding the true Church, but you've been misled, just as I was misled by slick preachers who ripped out 10 verses a minute to prove heterodox points. We are all subject to mistakes.

I don't want to attack anyone. I want to mercifully hold up the truth to hopefully encourage others to expend an tiny bit of effort outside their comfortable place in Christianity to consider that Christ may have established something unchanging, untrendy, unending--a real Body that contains God's people, not thousands of disputing denominations. One Body that is here to bring us each into the Kingdom of God, uniting us to Christ in communion.

Basil

Basil . . . you are still not understanding . . .

If you make negative statements against another's faith you are REQUIRED to back it up with OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE. . .


You have provided NO objective evidence. . . . all you are presenting is your poorly informed anti-Catholic opinion . . nothing more . .



Peace to all

 

[eoe]

ROUND 2

From here on the words "Chicken", "Evidence", "Strawman" and "Ukulele" are forbidden. Using a forbidden word will result in a 5 point reduction.

GO!

 

[CaDan]

hey never thought of that one - pretty good

Or is Bingo fully Dog and fully Farmer, undivided, but not intermingled!

 

[CaDan]

ROUND 2

From here on the words "Chicken", "Evidence", "Strawman" and "Ukulele" are forbidden. Using a forbidden word will result in a 5 point reduction.

GO!

400 quatloos on the newcomer!

 

[GraceInHim]

ROUND 2

From here on the words "Chicken", "Evidence", "Strawman" and "Ukulele" are forbidden. Using a forbidden word will result in a 5 point reduction.

GO!

at this time of year - we should show love - but then again this is no fellowship thread -- ne and CaDan like to add funny stuff -- ummm still want to know about the egg

oh Cadan - read your article on CF Newsletter -