Why I'm not a young earth creationist...

[Astrid]

Because the meteor impact was on the edge of the Gulf:

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It's small compared to the Gulf and at the edge of it. Now how would that crater formed by that meteor be responsible for *creating* the Gulf of Mexico.

Good luck getting any admission of error.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Because the meteor impact was on the edge of the Gulf:

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It's small compared to the Gulf and at the edge of it. Now how would that crater formed by that meteor be responsible for *creating* the Gulf of Mexico.

Just like I said to the previous poster:

But that still doesn't mean it didn't have a hand in the formation of the Gulf of Mexico. A lot of things happened on Earth as a result of the flood of Noah's day.

And do we know that wasn't the only asteroid that hit the area? If it was actually an asteroid that broke into pieces; it may have been a secondary hit. Is there other evidence in the Gulf of Mexico of an asteroid hit? Has anyone even attempted to figure that out? (If they haven't; it would be worth investigating.)

 

[Astrid]

But that still doesn't mean it didn't have a hand in the formation of the Gulf of Mexico. A lot of things happened on Earth as a result of the flood of Noah's day.

And do we know that wasn't the only asteroid that hit the area? If it was actually an asteroid that broke into pieces; it may have been a secondary hit. Is there other evidence in the Gulf of Mexico of an asteroid hit? Has anyone even attempted to figure that out? (If they haven't; it would be worth investigating.)

Weaseling weaseling

 

[The Righterzpen]

Good luck getting any admission of error.

Funny you should say this? I didn't hear an admission that you were wrong about the meteor / Gulf of Mexico dinosaur extinction theory.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Weaseling weaseling

Yes, I can see that you are definitely weaseling!

 

[Hans Blaster]

Now they will never admit that the evidence is there and here is a plausible explanation of that evidence; because their goal is to deny the Creator. That's why they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Well if your god wanted us to see the evidence of its creation of the Earth a few millennia ago, it would really help if there wasn't abundant evidence to the contrary. So what is it:

1. All scientists are horribly incompetent,
2. All scientists are evil liars,
3. All scientists are incompetent or liars,
4. Scripture is wrong about the age and pre-history of the Earth.

I see no other possibilities.

 

[Astrid]

And again I say the same thing to you.

The evidence of the meteor was found at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. And so.... how are YOU so sure it wasn't responsible for forming the Gulf of Mexico?

Which in reality; my original statement was about it being a factor in the cause of the extinction of the dinosaurs. Which @Estrid claimed that it wasn't even a theory that existed.

Well.... so much for @Estrid's knowledge of theories on dinosaur extinction - ehh!!!

You can make your silly claims as you like but lying about me
is very very low class.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Well if your god wanted us to see the evidence of its creation of the Earth a few millennia ago, it would really help if there wasn't abundant evidence to the contrary. So what is it:

1. All scientists are horribly incompetent,
2. All scientists are evil liars,
3. All scientists are incompetent or liars,
4. Scripture is wrong about the age and pre-history of the Earth.

I see no other possibilities.

Not all scientists believe what you believe though.

So yes, it all boils down to "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" because fallen humanity does not want to acknowledge the Creator.

One only becomes redeemed by the sovereign providence of God; which is a whole other theological subject.

 

[The Righterzpen]

You can make your silly claims as you like but lying about me
is very very low class.

Still waiting for your admission that yes, indeed there is a dinosaur gulf of Mexico asteroid extinction theory.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Funny you should say this? I didn't hear an admission that you were wrong about the meteor / Gulf of Mexico dinosaur extinction theory.

That is you are wrong about the GOM formation and the Chixilub crater and only vaguely on point in agreeing with the evidence of an asteroid strike 65 million yrs ago and the demise of the majority of dinosaurs. The gratuitous addition of Noah's flood only makes this even more absurd.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I was going to let this go...

The current paleontological theory is that the Gulf of Mexico basin was formed by this meteor. Which also could have initiated the circumstances that commenced the continental divide.

As noted before, paleontology is the study of bones in rocks, not of rocks and continents.

A continental divide is the line between watersheds going to one ocean or a different ocean. The primary continental divide in North America separates the land that drains to the Pacific Ocean from the land that drains to the Atlantic Ocean. In the US and Canada that is in the Rocky Mountains. There is no continental divide in the Gulf of Mexico as it's not even land, but it's also part of the Atlantic Ocean so all of its shore is on one side of the divide.

 

[Astrid]

Xx

 

[Hans Blaster]

Funny you should say this? I didn't hear an admission that you were wrong about the meteor / Gulf of Mexico dinosaur extinction theory.

Why should she make such an admission?

She didn't say there wasn't a theory that a meteor crashing into the Gulf of Mexico 66 million years ago wiped out the dinosaurs.

Rather, she noted (correctly) that your were incorrect when you said that "paleontologists" had a theory about a meteor *creating* the Gulf of Mexico, when (1) the impactor theory was *not* originated by paleontologists, but rather a geologist and a physicist, (2) no one proposes that the Gulf of Mexico was *created* by an impact.

 

[Astrid]

Xx

 

[The Righterzpen]

That is you are wrong about the GOM formation and the Chixilub crater and only vaguely on point in agreeing with the evidence of an asteroid strike 65 million yrs ago and the demise of the majority of dinosaurs. The gratuitous addition of Noah's flood only makes this even more absurd.

Not when you consider what is required to form fossils. (A lot of water and burial over a very short period of time.) And what would cause that? (Other than a flood?) And considering that fossils are found all over the world; than it must have been a global flood!

The only thing the asteroid dinosaur extinction theory proves is that an asteroid hit the earth that caused a cataclysmic event. We know this because there is a layer of asteroid dust that covers the earth.

Now you have to take the information of how fossils are formed to understand what that asteroid impact actually did. It likely caused some sort of tidal wave. Thus fossilizing things. And the dust is the first thing to fall in the flood rains.

We see this same phenomena with volcanic eruptions and nuclear blasts. What goes up; must come down, and it usually comes down in some form of rain. Look at the accounts of Hiroshima. What happened after the bomb went off? (It rained black rain.)

These are not unusual phenomena.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I really don't think it's a matter of how God intended something to appear. I think it's more a matter of "men suppress the truth in unrighteousness". The deception in human hearts doesn't actually change the evidence that's there.

Now they will never admit that the evidence is there and here is a plausible explanation of that evidence; because their goal is to deny the Creator. That's why they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

That's all this whole argument is really about.

Where is the "righteousness" in taking evidence generated by thousands of people Christian and otherwise and pretending it says something other than they have carefully concluded. You are basically calling all of them liars with no evidence except that of the story you wished was supported.

 

[Astrid]

Where is the "righteousness" in taking evidence generated by thousands of people Christian and otherwise and pretending it says something other than they have carefully concluded. You are basically calling all of them liars with no evidence except that of the story you wished was supported.

Where? Not there.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not when you consider what is required to form fossils. (A lot of water and burial over a very short period of time.) And what would cause that? (Other than a flood?) And considering that fossils are found all over the world; than it must have been a global flood!

Where do you get the idea that "lots of water" is required to form fossils?

As for rapid burial, there are lots of ways for a creature or its skeleton to be buried before the bones are all gone.

A flood certainly isn't required for either.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Xx

OK - I went back and looked at what you'd written. My apologies to you; I ACKNOWLEDGE you did not say that there was not an asteroid / Gulf of Mexico dinosaur extinction theory.

I do have the humility to admit when I'm wrong.

Regardless of whether or not you will actually acknowledge that - doesn't matter. My conscience is clear.

Now the real crux of the matter; what of the Creator; the flood and the Bible?

Is there a God and if there is; which one is the true God - (and how do you know)?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I really don't think it's a matter of how God intended something to appear. I think it's more a matter of "men suppress the truth in unrighteousness". The deception in human hearts doesn't actually change the evidence that's there.

Now they will never admit that the evidence is there and here is a plausible explanation of that evidence; because their goal is to deny the Creator. That's why they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

That's all this whole argument is really about.

Personally if I’m going to believe the word of God I feel that I have to let go of what I think is reasonably logical and just accept it for what it says because knowing that God is all powerful I can have confidence that He is able to defy the laws of science. So if the word of God says the earth is a little over 6,000 years old and scientists say that’s impossible I don’t have a problem with that knowing that nothing is impossible for God.