Why I'm an ex-Christian, part 1

[TheKingOfImmortality]

Hey, I am Ex-Christian am I am going to go threw all the reasons why I not a christian any more to give the Christians a chance to win me back. For my frist part I am going to go straight for the thing that was the final straw for me and that is....

The book of Revelations.

At frist I did not think much of this part but now it one of the many things on why I cant become a Christian. Why would a kind and loving God destroy the world? At frist I did not think much of the book but that was before for a few events in my life cause me to relize that if this was to be ture it means God dose not care for the all the people of the world (And those events in my life made me relize that ever life is precius in this world). Think about it, if it was a true prochey that would mean there would be people who were desteind to play the part of the Anti-Christ army or whatever it is that in Revelation god will destroy. In past history many people have used Revelation as way for fighting there enemys. Is that not what people in the mid-east do? There was a time I though I wanted a god who would fight the bad guys of the world, bring justice to all but somthing in my life made me relize I need a god who love all sides of all wars in history. There was a time I thought the Christian god was it but Revelations and other things (that I will talk about later) I think proves that is not the case. I will not follow a god who creates people who's only purpose in the world was to be destroyed and then sent to hell for being on the wrong the side of a war. So how is Revelation a work a kind and loving god?

 

[Digit]

Hey, I am Ex-Christian am I am going to go threw all the reasons why I not a christian any more to give the Christians a chance to win me back. For my frist part I am going to go straight for the thing that was the final straw for me and that is....

Hello,

I have a real issue with this part right here. As much as we would love for you to accept Christ again, it's not a competition or a game where we compete for souls. In addition, if you don't want to accept God, then our arguments will exactly that, hollow words that will offer an explanation to things you most likely won't believe. If we can argue you into Christianity, someone else can argue you out of it. It will be a shallow faith and will not last.

My thoughts are that you should think carefully about your reasoning for posting here and asking for input, as it's not a battle of will-power or debate skills, it's about how you live your life. If you don't want God in it, you don't have to have him.

Digit

 

[Forest]

So how is Revelation a work a kind and loving god?

That's interesting because there are at least 1,000,001 ways that people have interpreted the book of Revelation. Much more so than any other book in the bible.

Maybe the way you have interpreted Revelation is wrong and therefore, not a good reason to reject Christianity.

 

[calidog]

So how is Revelation a work a kind and loving god?

It's Gods final attempt to bring us to repent and turn to Him for salvation from His wrath on sin. We have been told from the beginning we must repent and recieve His Son. We are now in the age of grace, soon to come to an end.

 

[calidog]

give the Christians a chance to win me back.

As much as we would like to score points with God for winning you back to Christ, only He can do that. Hopefully Christ will give one or more of us some words He wants you to hear.

 

[R3quiem]

Hmm.

Well first of all, I wouldn't renounce a religion based on 1 book out of the dozens that are in the Bible. Not to say that any of it is wrong, but if I were you I'd focus on the gospels, on what Jesus really did and said while He was on earth.

 

[salida]

TheKingofImmorality-

Win you back? Focusing on Revelation alone is missing the point about the purpose of why Jesus died on the cross for you. Revelation is a book of prophesy - and has symbols in it that give one an idea of what will happen in the future. Some things in it are very clear also. Have you read the book Evidence Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (evidence of the bible that would stand up in court) and Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (by a former athiest).

I would pray and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand the bible and He will. Plus, if you want you can email me and I can give you a very good relevation teacher. He is the best I have found and I have heard many!

 

[TheKingOfImmortality]

Okeay, bad choices of words. I did not mean WIN me back more like see what your take is on the subjects.

Keep in mind I did not just leave beacuse of Relelations. There is more that I will talk about in part 2.

 

[TheKingOfImmortality]

It's Gods final attempt to bring us to repent and turn to Him for salvation from His wrath on sin. We have been told from the beginning we must repent and recieve His Son. We are now in the age of grace, soon to come to an end.

And this is a good thing,how?

 

[TheKingOfImmortality]

That's interesting because there are at least 1,000,001 ways that people have interpreted the book of Revelation. Much more so than any other book in the bible.

true, but what gets me is that there somthing in the bible that seems to go against everthing the Gosples teaches. (manly when taken literaly)

 

[TheKingOfImmortality]

Hmm.

Well first of all, I wouldn't renounce a religion based on 1 book out of the dozens that are in the Bible. Not to say that any of it is wrong, but if I were you I'd focus on the gospels, on what Jesus really did and said while He was on earth.

Like I said there is more on why I am not Christian any more. There propblems with Gospels and OT them Sleves. This is just part 1.

 

[calidog]

Originally Posted by calidog
It's Gods final attempt to bring us to repent and turn to Him for salvation from His wrath on sin. We have been told from the beginning we must repent and recieve His Son. We are now in the age of grace, soon to come to an end.


And this is a good thing,how?






Because it is better to kill the body than to kill the soul.

In this age we have the freedom to turn to God for the salvation of our souls, never to die again.

Before God wraps-up everything on earth He's going to give everyone a last chance to turn to Him for life. That is what the book of revelation is about. He's telling us in advance, is that not fair?

 

[ebia]

Hey, I am Ex-Christian am I am going to go threw all the reasons why I not a christian any more to give the Christians a chance to win me back. For my frist part I am going to go straight for the thing that was the final straw for me and that is....

The book of Revelations.

At frist I did not think much of this part but now it one of the many things on why I cant become a Christian. Why would a kind and loving God destroy the world? At frist I did not think much of the book but that was before for a few events in my life cause me to relize that if this was to be ture it means God dose not care for the all the people of the world (And those events in my life made me relize that ever life is precius in this world). Think about it, if it was a true prochey that would mean there would be people who were desteind to play the part of the Anti-Christ army or whatever it is that in Revelation god will destroy. In past history many people have used Revelation as way for fighting there enemys. Is that not what people in the mid-east do? There was a time I though I wanted a god who would fight the bad guys of the world, bring justice to all but somthing in my life made me relize I need a god who love all sides of all wars in history. There was a time I thought the Christian god was it but Revelations and other things (that I will talk about later) I think proves that is not the case. I will not follow a god who creates people who's only purpose in the world was to be destroyed and then sent to hell for being on the wrong the side of a war. So how is Revelation a work a kind and loving god?

I suggest you read some better books about Revelations. You are rejecting Christianity based upon a misunderstand about what Revelations is talking about.

God isn't going to destroy creation, but heal, renew, and remold it.

 

[ebia]

Like I said there is more on why I am not Christian any more. There propblems with Gospels and OT them Sleves. This is just part 1.

Fine, but people can only address what you have told us so far.

 

[Sketcher]

Humans aren't the good guys. If you accept that, then I think you will find the concept of a judging God a lot more moral and reasonable.

 

[Aprill]

Actually although Scott Hahn has recently said somethings I don't agree with....

In his book, The Lambs Supper, He talks a lot about it and he is able to write a clearly understood logic. (Which helps for people like me that don't want to look up every other word!)

If you read it It will help a lot...I think, it helped me find parts of the Mass that are inspiring...not to mention might help you grow your Chrisitianity.

 

[Aprill]

Oh, and just an addition:

God is all loving, and forgiving..but do not forget :

GOD IS ALL JUST. It's like borrowing money from a bank, just because you paid it back, doesn't mean there won't be interest... SO therefor, I think that if you say that you don't feel an all loving and forgiving God wouldn't do that, you also have to realize, *MOST* parents love and forgive their children but they still are grounded.

 

[theVirginian]

It isn't just the Earth, but the entire physical realm that will be incinerated. Why? Because it won't have any usefulness after everybody has been translated into their supernatural bodies.

 

[ebia]

It isn't just the Earth, but the entire physical realm that will be incinerated. Why? Because it won't have any usefulness after everybody has been translated into their supernatural bodies.

How very unbiblical

 

[calidog]

How very unbiblical

Originally Posted by theVirginian
It isn't just the Earth, but the entire physical realm that will be incinerated. Why? Because it won't have any usefulness after everybody has been translated into their supernatural bodies.


I have to, for the most part, agree:


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.