Why I think gay marriage is a sham...

[PetersKeys]

LOL. Most people? Is that why there is absolutely no one agreeing with you on this thread? Instead, I think you've proven it is you and a small group of right wing religious fanatics that have the above beliefs.

I'd ask for evidence of any of the above except you have yet to support your claim of feminists averaging 3 or 4 divorces. If it were as apparent as you are attempting to claim, the statistics should be quite easy to find. So I can't say I have any hope that you will support your above claims.

Maren, this part of the forum is full of your leftist goonies, who gang up on people who speak the truth and harass them with arrogance.. I already know this. Go to the street and ask random people

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3pdbnzFUsXI&feature=related


Most people don't like you guys and view you as militant pestering flys

 

[Maren]

How? Source?


http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2002/dec02/psrdec02.shtml

"A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed is as rottenness in his bones." —Proverb 12:4

Many wives today are "rottenness" to their husbands health. They contaminate and rot their marriages until there's nothing left. Some even kill their babies.

Wives have been filing for divorce at about twice the rate (more, in some places) of husbands. See the study report, “These Boots are Made for Walking: Why Wives File for Divorce” (Margaret F. Brinig and Douglas W. Allen, 2000, The American Law and Economics Association) in which an enormous number of divorce certificates from four U.S. states were analyzed

Margaret Sanguer is a wonderful example. He here one monsterous evil woman, who has turned the most safest place for a child into a murder zone. One realizes the horrible character flaw of feminists when you see their sickening support for abortion, not do they only support it, but they take pride in it. How sick is it to take pride in killing your own child. Have you seen the " I had an abortion" T-Shirt by Planned Parenthood?? What kind of monsters take pride in something like that. This has lead to a great dumbing down of society and hurting of marriage. Not only that but they are also infecting our schools with the "Vagina Monolouges", which is being produced in 25 countrys.


""The Vagina Monologues" presents a sad picture of life at the dead-end of feminism. It is an anguished cry for male love by a generation of women deceived by feminism, who now have no choice but to become lesbians. For women who are literally starved for love, the play provides a steamy experience of sexual intimacy. For young women who don't know any better, it is an initiation into lesbianism.
Based on interviews with women, who talk about their vaginas, the play purports to rescue the female genitals from "cultural neglect." For example, the play describes a workshop in which women examine themselves with hand-mirrors. "It reminded me of how early astronomers must have felt with their primitive telescopes," says Ensler. They give their vagina nicknames, dress it up in imaginary outfits, and imagine what it would say if it could talk (e.g. "Where's Brian?"). At one performance at the Madison Square Gardens, 18,000 women were whipped into a frenzy of shouting "c*nt" over and over. "



http://www.gabnet.com/lit/demoh17.htm

None of your claims are supported there; instead it is merely an editorial column by a far right wing political action committee. Not to mention, it ever further hurts your claim in that the woman mentioned by name, Margaret Sanguer (I assume they meant Margaret Sanger), was not a second wave feminist but actually died around the time second wave feminism started.

Further, it is interesting to note that the next thing the editorial rails against, The Vagina Monologues, is actually criticized by many feminists -- so it is quite a stretch to claim it represents feminism.

 

[PetersKeys]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DdoS9r8z6TA

Most people do not call themselves feminists. And almost seem embarassed to. Why the shame?

 

[PetersKeys]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM&feature=related


more feminist obnoxiousness


http://youtube.com/watch?v=7iivCqQkKPI&feature=related

 

[PetersKeys]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AUN0M4jftfI&feature=related

 

[PetersKeys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX8KWSuEhIc&NR=1

 

[Maren]

Maren, this part of the forum is full of your leftist goonies, who gang up on people who speak the truth and harass them with arrogance.. I already know this. Go to the street and ask random people

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3pdbnzFUsXI&feature=related


Most people don't like you guys and view you as militant pestering flys

My leftist goonies? Strange how I'm never referred to as a leftist in real life. I think most, even here at Christian Forums, would classify me more as a centrist as I don't like extremism on either side.

The fact is, every poll done shows that mainstream feminist issues have broad support among both men and women. Now, I agree there are some extremely radical feminist groups -- then again, there are some extremely radical right wing groups as well. I find neither the right nor the left want to be identified by their more extremist supporters.

As for your claim about feminists having 3 or 4 divorces each, when you get to the radical feminists, many (if not most) have not even been married once, much less divorced multiple times. As for divorce rates, it is interesting to note that it is fundamentalist and Born Again Christians that tend to have some of the highest divorce rates, and it is the atheists (who you appear to believe are more likely to be feminists) that have one of the lower divorce rates. So I'm extremely curious to see you support your claims that feminists have 3 to 4 divorces each, on average.

As for this forum being "full of leftist goonies", the fact is that there are a lot of rather conservative (and even some extreme conservative) Christians that still post in this forum, yet none of them are supporting your posts here. My point isn't that you are being "ganged up on", it is that no one is supporting your arguments but you.

 

[Bombila]

Hey, PetersKeys, I am a feminist, as are almost all the women I know, and none of us are in the least embarassed by it. Quite a few of them even go to church every Sunday, some are SAHMs, some have careers.

You demonstrate with your ridiculous baseless accusations (feminists want to be men?) that you have no clue what feminism means, what feminist goals are, why women are feminists in the first place, and certainly you fail to grasp why almost all sane, intelligent and decent men in Western society fully support feminism and are glad that women have advanced to a state of virtual equality with men.

If we did not recognize that you are an eccentric woman-hating anomaly among the vast crowds of normal men, we might be worried about your vile attitudes. But we do recognize you for what you are, and you are nothing but a source of somewhat horrified amusement for both the men and women who have bothered to read your comments.

 

[Maren]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX8KWSuEhIc&NR=1

You seriously think YouTube videos that are clearly created with an anti-feminist agenda are evidence? So, here is a video of a person who was abducted by aliens: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SblCCFG-UYs

I guess since it is on YouTube we all now know that aliens exist and abduct humans.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DdoS9r8z6TA

Most people do not call themselves feminists. And almost seem embarassed to. Why the shame?

Maybe because most people aren't feminists?

The "almost embarrassed" line is projection.

 

[PetersKeys]

My leftist goonies? Strange how I'm never referred to as a leftist in real life. I think most, even here at Christian Forums, would classify me more as a centrist as I don't like extremism on either side.

The fact is, every poll done shows that mainstream feminist issues have broad support among both men and women. Now, I agree there are some extremely radical feminist groups -- then again, there are some extremely radical right wing groups as well. I find neither the right nor the left want to be identified by their more extremist supporters.

As for your claim about feminists having 3 or 4 divorces each, when you get to the radical feminists, many (if not most) have not even been married once, much less divorced multiple times. As for divorce rates, it is interesting to note that it is fundamentalist and Born Again Christians that tend to have some of the highest divorce rates, and it is the atheists (who you appear to believe are more likely to be feminists) that have one of the lower divorce rates. So I'm extremely curious to see you support your claims that feminists have 3 to 4 divorces each, on average.

As for this forum being "full of leftist goonies", the fact is that there are a lot of rather conservative (and even some extreme conservative) Christians that still post in this forum, yet none of them are supporting your posts here. My point isn't that you are being "ganged up on", it is that no one is supporting your arguments but you.

Maren your posts are extremely anti christian and hypocritical. . Many conservatives actually avoid this part of the forum because there are too many leftists on it now. In fact a good number of christians have asked to be removed from this site because the mods will not remove the anti-christian threads off this part of the forum. Theres plenty of them here, its just you scared them all away and many view you as already hopeless and destined for the cooker. Ive already recieved messages to not even post in this part of the forum because its populated by too many anti-christian leftists and that most of you are a lost cause. Which is probably true, but either way when someone who is new to christianity reads some of the filth you post there needs to be someone to help level out the filth that is being posted on here. While many people won't stand up to you there are still a small number who will, even though they will get called names and remarked as "uneducated" by leftist goons. many other christians don't wanna deal with you but that still dosen't mean that you can just take over this part of the forum with your anti-christian proproganda.

 

[Bombila]

Maren your posts are extremely anti christian and hypocritical. . Many conservatives actually avoid this part of the forum because there are too many leftists on it now. In fact a good number of christians have asked to be removed from this site because the mods will not remove the anti-christian threads off this part of the forum. Theres plenty of them here, its just you scared them all away and many view you as already hopeless and destined for the cooker. Ive already recieved messages to not even post in this part of the forum because its populated by too many anti-christian leftists and that most of you are a lost cause.

Maren and other 'leftists' 'scared them away'? How weak are your brand of conservatives if they are unable to respond to comments or present their opinions on a forum which is highly moderated and biased in favour of conservative Christians in the first place? I thought Christians didn't view entire demographics as 'lost causes?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

No, Jesus was for the Dignity of women. Feminism is the opposite of that. Most people do not respect feminists and conclude they are a burden to society and marriage. Not to mention they have made it miserable for the average housewife who prefers to stay home.

Yes, Jesus was for the Dignity of women. That is precisely what made him a Feminist. What is the basis for the claim most don't respect feminists? Was that poll taken in pat robertson's living room? Is there any evidence to back up that claim?

As for saying feminists have made it rough for women who want to be housewives, how have they done this?

Was the invitation to a one on one debate seen? I didn't see a response so let me make the offer again. Would you like a one on one debate about the ethics and morals of feminism? (This way we could be sure there would be no "ganging up" on either side)

 

[PetersKeys]

Maren and other 'leftists' 'scared them away'? How weak are your brand of conservatives if they are unable to respond to comments or present their opinions on a forum which is highly moderated and biased in favour of conservative Christians in the first place? I thought Christians didn't view entire demographics as 'lost causes?

If you read the posts, many of the people who populate Ethics and morality and not christians or "christians" with extremely anti-biblical contradictory values. The reason why it has become like this is because the mods will not remove the anti-christian posts here. They will not remove posts that go against biblical morals. So in turn this part of the forum becomes a never ending justification of sin where people wallow in self justification and attack anything contradictory. The OPs that people like Trevorocity post are just awful, and he would not last one second on a forum like catholicanswers or other apologetic forums that actually moderate their forums.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

If you read the posts, many of the people who populate Ethics and morality and not christians or "christians" with extremely anti-biblical contradictory values. The reason why it has become like this is because the mods will not remove the anti-christian posts here. They will not remove posts that go against biblical morals. So in turn this part of the forum becomes a never ending justification of sin where people wallow in self justification and attack anything contradictory. The OPs that people like Trevorocity post are just awful, and he would not last one second on a forum like catholicanswers or other apologetic forums that actually moderate their forums.

The problem is staff won't remove 'anti-Christian' posts? Since it's pretty clear you are a self-appointed judge that means you want staff to remove all posts you disagree with. Is this correct or did I misunderstand?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Maren your posts are extremely anti christian and hypocritical. . Many conservatives actually avoid this part of the forum because there are too many leftists on it now. In fact a good number of christians have asked to be removed from this site because the mods will not remove the anti-christian threads off this part of the forum. Theres plenty of them here, its just you scared them all away and many view you as already hopeless and destined for the cooker. Ive already recieved messages to not even post in this part of the forum because its populated by too many anti-christian leftists and that most of you are a lost cause. Which is probably true, but either way when someone who is new to christianity reads some of the filth you post there needs to be someone to help level out the filth that is being posted on here. While many people won't stand up to you there are still a small number who will, even though they will get called names and remarked as "uneducated" by leftist goons. many other christians don't wanna deal with you but that still dosen't mean that you can just take over this part of the forum with your anti-christian proproganda.

Translation: when you know your arguments will get pwned, stay clear.

 

[PassionFruit]

I have to chuckle at this. Considering many feminists act like men and even wear mens clothing. Many seek to feminize men. Look at hillary clinton, she dresses and acts like a man. Seems like they are not too comfortable with the sex they are born with. So whos really the ones who are insecure? A secure man or woman accepts and embraces the nature they are given, not denies it or seeks to reverse it.

Your cluelessness is astounding, you don't seem to know that you keep making yourself look foolish with your so-called evidence. Spare yourself the embarrassment. For one, you still won't correct your spelling, and there's nothing more annoying than an anti-feminists who can't spell nor have proper grammar. That only makes us feminists laugh at you. A LOT.

If you read the posts, many of the people who populate Ethics and morality and not christians or "christians" with extremely anti-biblical contradictory values. The reason why it has become like this is because the mods will not remove the anti-christian posts here. They will not remove posts that go against biblical morals. So in turn this part of the forum becomes a never ending justification of sin where people wallow in self justification and attack anything contradictory. The OPs that people like Trevorocity post are just awful, and he would not last one second on a forum like catholicanswers or other apologetic forums that actually moderate their forums.

Oh, so now you're the judge of who is Christian and who isn't a Christian? That's rather arrogant. It would be nice if you point out which threads are posted here that are actually anti-Christian.

 

[mpok1519]

nearly all the prominent feminists I read about have been divorced around 2-3 times. Just goto wiki. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out

Did you read my post about divorce? women weren't even allowed to divorce prior to the feminist movements; also, feminist movements have been around since Queen Elizabeth in England; its quite ignorant to say feminism is the cause of divorce.

I think the main cuse of divorce was this fact that women found out that they didnt NEED a man to be happy and self-sufficient; they could finally divorce if their man beat them, yelled at them, and told them where their place in society is all the time....THATS why I think the divorce rate went up.

a woman wasn't even allowed to file for a divorce unless they could prove infidelity, abandonment, abuse or severe grevious mental anguish. yet, if they couldn't prove their allegations, their situation wasn't gonna get better.

thank GOD for feminism; men and women are equal, and its no one's place to tell either sex what their place in society is; you, the individual, determine your place in society.

 

[PassionFruit]

Did you read my post about divorce? women weren't even allowed to divorce prior to the feminist movements; also, feminist movements have been around since Queen Elizabeth in England; its quite ignorant to say feminism is the cause of divorce.

I think the main cuse of divorce was this fact that women found out that they didnt NEED a man to be happy and self-sufficient; they could finally divorce if their man beat them, yelled at them, and told them where their place in society is all the time....THATS why I think the divorce rate went up.

a woman wasn't even allowed to file for a divorce unless they could prove infidelity, abandonment, abuse or severe grevious mental anguish. yet, if they couldn't prove their allegations, their situation wasn't gonna get better.

thank GOD for feminism; men and women are equal, and its no one's place to tell either sex what their place in society is; you, the individual, determine your place in society.

Men and women aren't entirely equal yet, you also have to think about the women across the world. But we're getting there. It's okay, attitudes like Peters is why women become feminists in the first place, he's doing us a favor.

 

[Maren]

Maren your posts are extremely anti christian and hypocritical. .

Hypocritical? Could you provide an example? As for the anti-Christian, I don't think you can actually prove that at all. There are plenty of examples where I disagree with you, or point out inconsistencies in some peoples beliefs, but I don't think I've ever condemned Christians as a whole or claimed that Christianity should not exist.

Many conservatives actually avoid this part of the forum because there are too many leftists on it now. In fact a good number of christians have asked to be removed from this site because the mods will not remove the anti-christian threads off this part of the forum. Theres plenty of them here, its just you scared them all away and many view you as already hopeless and destined for the cooker.

This is a section of the forum that allows for open debate. As many of the Christians on this site choose not to debate, they avoid this area. There are others, and you remind me of some of them, that seemed unable to support their beliefs. The fact that most Christians cannot support their beliefs without resorting to the Bible is the reason most avoid this area, not because it is so "anti-Christian". And mods won't remove the posts because the posts do not violate the rules of the forum.

Ive already recieved messages to not even post in this part of the forum because its populated by too many anti-christian leftists and that most of you are a lost cause. Which is probably true, but either way when someone who is new to christianity reads some of the filth you post there needs to be someone to help level out the filth that is being posted on here.

Which is exactly why there are Christian only portions of this forum. In fact, if this forum is filled with people who are "lost causes", then is not even more of a reason for people to post here? But they don't, because like you they can't support their claims with factual evidence.

For those Christians, I'd suggest that perhaps they'd be happier at sites that forbid opposing viewpoints rather than forums, like this one, which encourage open debate.

While many people won't stand up to you there are still a small number who will, even though they will get called names and remarked as "uneducated" by leftist goons. many other christians don't wanna deal with you but that still dosen't mean that you can just take over this part of the forum with your anti-christian proproganda.

I don't believe I've ever called anyone "uneducated". My problem with your posts (and not with you personally) is that you make all these sweeping claims but refuse to provide any type of real evidence. So far, your claims have been editorial opinions of extreme right wing groups, an attempt to claim that correlation equates with cause, and videos on YouTube. None of these are considered any type of evidence in an honest debate.

I would be surprised if you can find any evidence of my being "anti-Christian", but that in fact your evidence will be that I don't believe Christians should force their beliefs onto non-Christians. It is amazing how many Christians feel they are being persecuted if they cannot force their beliefs onto society.