Why I do not (and cannot) support T.D. Jakes:

[Dikaioo]

Hello,
I'm not sure who all is aware of this, but T.D. Jakes doesn't believe in the Trinity. He believes in the ancient heresy started in the early church commonly referred to as Modalism or Sabellianism. Sabellius was one proponent of this heretical doctrine, and once again it has spawned in our day

If you visit www aomin dot org you can listen to a RealAudio program about him.

It is referred to as "Jesus Only" movement, sometimes.

What does everyone else think?

 

[jcright]

Who's TD Jakes?

 

[Gold Dragon]

I think that Oneness Pentecostalism is a non-othordox, heretical teaching that in my mind is a silly distinction from trinitarianism. I don't understand the motivation behind the theology but I wouldn't say that Oneness Pentecostals are not saved because of that theology.

Even in trinitarian theology, we recognize that there is an element of mystery in the relationship between the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Oneness Pentecostals choose to explain that mystery in an unorthodox way that I feel is unnecessary.

I've spoken to members of the United Pentecostal Church who have held trinitarian views. Their oneness theological pastors did not consider the apparent conflict in their beliefs to be a problem.

 

[bleechers]

Hello,
I'm not sure who all is aware of this, but T.D. Jakes doesn't believe in the Trinity. He believes in the ancient heresy started in the early church commonly referred to as Modalism or Sabellianism. Sabellius was one proponent of this heretical doctrine, and once again it has spawned in our day

If you visit www aomin dot org you can listen to a RealAudio program about him.

It is referred to as "Jesus Only" movement, sometimes.

What does everyone else think?

 

[ZiSunka]

Hmm, God is one, yet three, right?

 

[Dikaioo]

One way to put it is this way, We're talking about three persons but one being

 

[Dikaioo]

Who's TD Jakes?

The so-called "Next Billy Graham"
www tdjakes org/

 

[ZiSunka]

One way to put it is this way, We're talking about three persons but one being

I've always wondered what exactly does "person" mean in this context?

 

[Dikaioo]

A seperate character, person, yet three. To be able to explain it all, I cannot. But who would want a god that you could explain 100%?

 

[bleechers]

The so-called "Next Billy Graham"
www tdjakes org/

Oh is he gonna refuse to defend the faith, glorify Islam, and buddy up to a bunch of unsaved world leaders too?

 

[2Timothy2]

Oh is he gonna refuse to defend the faith, glorify Islam, and buddy up to a bunch of unsaved world leaders too?

Quit reading my mind!!!!


There is a thread in the Deeper Fellowship forum that touches on this subject, Jakes, not Graham. Actually, TBN as a whole.

 

[Dikaioo]

Oh is he gonna refuse to defend the faith, glorify Islam, and buddy up to a bunch of unsaved world leaders too?

Good description of ol' Billy

It's quite sad though when you think about it, too.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Oh is he gonna refuse to defend the faith, glorify Islam, and buddy up to a bunch of unsaved world leaders too?

Would you be so kind to give examples of the first two?

I have buddies who believe in other religions. What is so wrong about that?

 

[Sword-In-Hand]

A seperate character, person, yet three. To be able to explain it all, I cannot. But who would want a god that you could explain 100%?

If we could explain everything about God then that would put us and Him on a similar level and well that's just not gonna happen.

 

[theseed]

One way to put it is this way, We're talking about three persons but one being

I prefer the BFM "three personal attributes in one essence"

 

[BBAS 64]

I've always wondered what exactly does "person" mean in this context?

Good Day, Lambslove

This may help:

http://aomin.org/trinitydef.html

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[bleechers]

Would you be so kind to give examples of the first two?

I have buddies who believe in other religions. What is so wrong about that?

I will address the first part later... although BG has refused to defend the gospel his entire career... including in his own biography.

As to the second... what's wrong with it? There is only one gospel and one way to heaven. There is no other name under heaven by which they must be saved. If they have not the Son, the wrath of God abides on them. They are condemned already and their only hope is salvation through Christ alone.

All other "gods" are false gods.

 

[Gold Dragon]

As to the second... what's wrong with it? There is only one gospel and one way to heaven. There is no other name under heaven by which they must be saved. If they have not the Son, the wrath of God abides on them. They are condemned already and their only hope is salvation through Christ alone.

All other "gods" are false gods.

Who said anything about them being saved by any means other than Christ? Being buddies with someone of another religion doesn't mean you think their god' or religion is true. How do you witness to people if you can't be their friend unless they are Christians?

 

[VT_Boy]

Instead of bashing people do you pray for them?

 

[bleechers]

Who said anything about them being saved by any means other than Christ? Being buddies with someone of another religion doesn't mean you think their god' or religion is true. How do you witness to people if you can't be their friend unless they are Christians?

Oh... you had me worried there for a moment.

I have no problem with having friends (on a certain level) of another religion. I thought you were saying that they were of another religion and what is wrong with people being of another religion in terms of salvation (not in terms of friendships).

In BG's case, he was tossed a softball on the Today show about Muslims and instead of lovingly, kindly, gently telling them and the national audience the gospel... he just went on praising the wonderful "religion of peace". I nearly fell out of my chair.

Thanks for letting me clear that up.