Total Depravity = We are so utterly depraved we can't make a decision for Christ.
The ones that fall away never were regenerated. Once we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit we are on our way to heaven. Although the sanctification process may not be an easy one for everybody. Salvation cannot be lost.
If salvation could be lost one day gained back another day and lost yet another day one had better be careful when they die -- that's ridiculous.
M-Bob
Here are more Scriptures stating He died for more than the elect.
John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world,
Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
If that’s your personal definition of world in your mind, but that is not how the Bible is referring to the word “world”
I see this as another problem with Calvinism: Arrogance.
I thought God owned the whole world?
Psalm 50:12
If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Can you show a Scripture that says He died for His sheep ONLY?
Strong's No.: G2889
Greek: κόσμος
Transliteration: kosmos
Pronunciation: kos'-mos
Definition: Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement that is decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense including its inhabitants literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning world.u
Psalm 50:12
If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Fullness would be all the inhabitants, all the animal and anything else you can think of.
Who said the sin of unbelief was paid for?
Jesus said in John 16 that the Holy Spirit would convict the world of unbelief.
John Macarthur says one thing, the Word of God says different.
I think I will stick with God's Word.
Galatians 4:4 says that Jesus came to redeem them that were under the law.
We have 2 choices here as to who was under the law.
Just the Jews or all the world.
Romans 3:19 says, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
I think God knows the Bible better than John M. does and He said quite a few times that He died for everybody.
He gives the ability to say yes or no. Otherwise why would He want to reason with us. Jesus said He came to seek the lost, not the elect.
The Holy Spirit convicts of sin of unbelief.
He convicts the world, not just the elect.
Both of you only answered the 2nd part of the question I gave about 1 John 2:2.
The only way the Calvinist can get around the fact that perseverance isn't guaranteed in Scripture. Jesus plainly said they believed, yet your view refutes what Jesus said.The ones that fall away never were regenerated.
Guess WHEN that happens?Once we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit we are on our way to heaven.
Correct.Although the sanctification process may not be an easy one for everybody. Salvation cannot be lost.
Seems you misunderstand what Jesus meant by "falling away". In Luke 8:13 the "falling away" relates to "believing for a while".If salvation could be lost one day gained back another day and lost yet another day one had better be careful when they die -- that's ridiculous.
M-Bob
When it's NOT further defined in context to mean less than everyone in the world.And since when did the word "world" mean the entire "world"?
God Bless
Till all are one.
Look up the word for "many". It means the masses.How about Mk. 10:14?
"For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
Contrary to other scriptures, here it says He gave His life as a ransom for many.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Where do you find God being the one doing the tasso-ing? You don't. In fact, the word is never translated as "appointed" or "ordained" in any of the other 7 uses in the NT. The word means "to arrange" or "set in order".Say what you want, but you have not accounted for Acts 13:48.
God Bless
Till all are one.
When I said that it was in response to tulipbee saying the world was her own little world and it wasn't mine. That is arrogance, to think that Jesus died for only tulipbee's own little world.I haven't seen anybody here argue to the contrary.
I'd be careful slinging that word "arrogance" around friend.
God Bless
Till all are one.
I actually had more Scriptures lined up and then I accidentally bumped the "post reply" button, and when I was going to edit, I got a phone call and got busy with other things and forgot to edit/add to the post.kosmos can also mean "universe".
"Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
"
- an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
- ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3
- the world, the universe
- the circle of the earth, the earth
- the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
- the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
- world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
- the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
- any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
- the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
Source
I want to know why, you quote the Greek definition, yet use OT scripture?
You do know the Hebrew word only means world in one place?
"erets: earth, land
Original Word: אָ֫רֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets
Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-rets)
Short Definition: land"
Strongs number:776
Perhaps its:
"adamah: ground, land
Original Word: אֲדָמָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: adamah
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-aw-maw')
Short Definition: land"
Strongs Number: 127
God Bless
Till all are one.
Yes, that is what He does.And has He done that?
God Bless
Till all are one.
Well Galatians 4:4 says He came to redeem them that were under the law.And who were "under the Law"?
Jews or Gentiles?
Fact is, the "Law" i.e.: the Torah, was never given to the Gentiles.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Yes, just because I can't understand how God could get the Gospel to him doesn't mean God didn't die for him.Tell me something, Jesus died in Ad 33 (round abouts).
That native living on Samoa that died after the death of Christ, did Christ die for him too?
Fact is, the Christian religion didn't come to the Pacific Islands until some 1500 years afterwards.
God Bless
Till all are one.
You deny unconditional election in salvation do you not?Claiming that another doesn't believe what they claim to believe is ridiculous.
Why would I claim anything that I do not believe? That isn't sane.
It also isn't sane to make your wild claims about what I actually believe.
Why haven't you even bothered to address my points and refute them from Scripture? Because you can't.
What I deny is that God's election is about salvation. No one is elected to salvation, and there AREN'T any verses that say that.You deny unconditional election in salvation do you not?
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