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Okay, so we’ll just repeat the last fifty years’ worth of “race-relations”?Why would I need to shut up?
Am I less than anyone else in some way? Does my opinion hold less value because of my skin color?
Okay, so we’ll just repeat the last fifty years’ worth of “race-relations”?
Fine.
Would it be acceptable for you and your children and grandchildren to be discrimination against in opportunities, jobs, education, loans, etc, for the color of their skin (whatever color that is)?
Just Asking Questions is a thing, but you’ve made it an art form.
Absolutely, yes.Do you think that's true? Do you think those racist thoughts become racist behaviors if unaddressed?
When people say there is systemic racism , they aren't calling teachers racist, they aren't calling police and judges racist, they aren't calling employers racist.It could be. It would be better if we actually examined the problem. If a group of students are doing poorly in school....and I find out the main reason is they don't attend school....calling the teachers racist won't fix a thing. It might make it worse.
Absolutely, yes.
If some people have a perception that people of a race are lazy or criminal or irresponsible then they may have some reluctance to hire people from that race.
When people say there is systemic racism , they aren't calling teachers racist, they aren't calling police and judges racist, they aren't calling employers racist.
I couldn't read that article. I don't have an account and I don't really want to set one up.Ok...
So there's this lady. She's a Dr, female, person of color....saying some pretty racist stuff.
A Psychiatrist Invited to Yale Spoke of Fantasies of Shooting White People
How would you address this so she doesn't harm anyone with her racism?
I don't think we should be hunting down racists and making sure they all lose their jobs.Would you strip her of her psychiatry license/degree? What is the method?
It would be beneficial to try to work out why people go down the path of racism.We're going to have to examine her and her racism and explain why she's holding awful views, right?
I've been down this path with you before. I went to great lengths to explain this all to you. From my perspective of course. I didn't avoid it. I tackled the challenge head on.I appreciate it stevil....I really do. This is like whenever Christians try to explain what god isn't to me. It means absolutely nothing at all if you can't explain what it is. I'd hope as an atheist that you would understand this...it's the exact same sophistry.
Some have pointed me to Eucharistic miracles, some have talked about uncorrupted "saints" bodies.Haven't you ever asked a Christian how they can tell a miracle occurs? Isn't it always some kind of "I know it when I see it" answer?
Here's the thread where I explained my views to you of what Systemic Racism is.I appreciate it stevil....I really do. This is like whenever Christians try to explain what god isn't to me. It means absolutely nothing at all if you can't explain what it is. I'd hope as an atheist that you would understand this...it's the exact same sophistry.
I couldn't read that article. I don't have an account and I don't really want to set one up.
But, it isn't illegal for a person to be racist.
It isn't illegal for a person to have fantasies, nor should it be.
I don't think we should be hunting down racists and making sure they all lose their jobs.
Is there something special about the psychiatry profession which means a person with racist fantasies is a danger to the public? IDK?
But, I would have major problems if this person refused to accept clients of a specific race, or was proven to give bad, like negligent or dangerous advice/service to clients of a specific race.
It would be beneficial to try to work out why people go down the path of racism.
I've been down this path with you before. I went to great lengths to explain this all to you. From my perspective of course. I didn't avoid it. I tackled the challenge head on.
But unfortunately I am disheartened to see you still assuming that people who accept "systematic racism" as being real, that they consider (white) people in the system to be racists. This is why I say that I don't think you listen.
Of course my own explanation to you might not be believed by you, and is really only my own explanation, which is why I advised you to also talk to others about what they think.
If you are interested in my view it is right there in the thread in which we talked about it. You could re-read that conversation. I'll see if I can find it, I can't remember what the title of the thread was.
Some have pointed me to Eucharistic miracles, some have talked about uncorrupted "saints" bodies.
As with everyone ever born, I was born an atheist.How did you come to atheism?
This is also a misconception that I see you have.I can go on but at some point, I'm either laying blame at the foot of all of history....or just choosing a completely arbitrary stopping point and I would be wrong.
To that point, I can either blame everyone or no one. I see no way to hold all of humanity responsible, I can hold individuals responsible for their actions...and that's it.
This is also a misconception that I see you have.
It's not about laying blame.
It's not about trying to blame the white race.
It is about trying to address the imbalance.
I can't make any sense or Christianity, nor beliefs in magical invisible entities.
Yes, this is the thing which tips me off about what's the real source of these kinds of threads.This is also a misconception that I see you have.
It's not about laying blame.
It's not about trying to blame the white race.
Yes, this is the thing which tips me off about what's the real source of these kinds of threads.
Just incase you missed this post of mineIf you can I promise I'll read it.
Here's the thread where I explained my views to you of what Systemic Racism is.
Where does this stuff come from?
There are a couple pages of others talking, but then we continued here
Where does this stuff come from?
I understand that you have talked alot about this topic, and you have talked to lots of people. So it might be easy for you to have forgotten this conversation you had with me.
It was a lengthy conversation for me. I don't have huge amounts of time to invest in conversations like this.
But if you are interested to know my position, please re-read that thread, those posts. My position hasn't changed from back then.
Here is also a decent article. It is very lengthy and through and gives lots of examples from around the world
Institutional racism - Wikipedia
The problem though, as I see it, is that a person like you, could easily read through the article and not get it, not understand what is being conveyed.
I feel that subtleties are lost on you. You have a very strong black and white opinion and this hinders your ability to understand this stuff.
One thing I would like to highlight is
systematic racism cannot be reduced to individual prejudice and is not necessarily written into rules or laws but the consequences of SR result in the societal problems of under or over representation such as poor schooling, poor home ownership, high criminal rates etc.
Just incase you missed this post of mine
When the complaint comes that:
“The system is broken in a racist way!”,
Yes, this is the thing which tips me off about what's the real source of these kinds of threads.
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