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Why I Am (Still) Lutheran

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Do you see the roman catholic church as part of the church? Why/Why not? i ask because i can't remember who said what and don't feel like going back to look.
 
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Did you even read his post? He spent most of the time talking about theology...

Yes, I did read his post. Which is why I said what I said.

Did you read my post? Did I say he didn't spend time talking about theology? What I said was that his comparisons and his "attractions" to different churches was based on more practical aspects than on theological aspects.
 
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Well, of course the "attraction" to different churches is for practical reasons! If the attractions were theological, then he'd belong to that church! How is it a "law-based analysis" when the final conclusion about which church to remain a part of is theological? Moreover, most of the comparisons made are theological comparisons, with praxis being a side note, so your analysis isn't fair at all.
 
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I grew up (birth to age 16) in a LCMS church in Texas. It gave me a great scriptural background and firm belief system but lacked the personal involvement that has brought me back to actively seeking and following Christ. I have recently joined a Baptist church because the church has many of the aspects of Christian fellowship that I feel will strengthen my personal faith and walk. I do not consider myself a Lutheran or a Baptist though... I am (and feel the only thing I ever should strive to be is) a Christian. My father's side of the family were all RC and I did indeed get a beautiful sense of awe and reverence from that as well as my Lutheran upbringing. I am only speaking for myself here but I did not find real "joy" in Jesus sacrifice until I was an adult and removed myself from strict doctrinal influence and allowed the simplicity and beauty of it to reveal itself to me. I do believe in baptism but as a statement of faith not as a means of literal protection or salvation. I do believe that it is important to observe Communion but do not believe that the act itself is the impetus through which my sins are forgiven or my heart is made repentant. It seems that we have both made journeys through different countries and doctrines but have come out on different ends. The beauty of this (IMO again) is that regardless of what personally stimulates your spiritual walk we are all covered by the Blood of Jesus and can rejoice en masse. As long as we embrace the Truth of God and of His Word we are all brothers in Christ.
 
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So, I guess you don't believe what the Bible says then?
 
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Do you see the roman catholic church as part of the church? Why/Why not? i ask because i can't remember who said what and don't feel like going back to look.

IMO, yes. They are part of the "visible" Church; which consists of all the denominations, their buildings, their members, and consists of both believers and non believers. Then there is the invisible Church which is made up of only believers who have faith in Christ (regardless of denomination); those living, and those who have died in faith and are with our Lord in Heaven. It will be added to by those living and those yet to be born who will come to faith in Christ. This is the "One Holy catholic and Apostolic Church", the Communion of the Saints, which we confess in the Creeds.
 
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So, I guess you don't believe what the Bible says then?

I don't remember any passage in the bible which proposes salvation through acts other than faith in the sacrifice of Jesus and the grace of God. I understand why such are sacraments but the grace they convey is of faith and IMO not limited to these specific acts. I could not possibly disagree with the importance (scripturally or otherwise) of baptism or communion as both are acts we are commanded by our Savior to exercise.
 
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In your view, how is faith conveyed to us?
 
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Did Christ say he was coming to bring more law into our lives or Gospel?

In the sacraments, something is done TO us. We cannot baptize ourselves and we cannot make the host into Christ's body. We eat because by the Holy Spirt, we have faith that Christ is true to His word in that it is His body and that the wine is his blood. It's not our act of eating and drinking that does anything. It's Christ at his word that is the promise given. We don't DO things for salvation. But through earthly means, God gives us the benefits of the cross...and this is so like God to do it because He also used earthly means in the Old Testament as well.
 
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Absolutely he came to free us from the bondage of sin! That is not just good news but great news!

To answer the other question I don't just believe but absolutely know that my faith is a gift from God conveyed to me by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Interesting..

 
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This thread should get a sticky.

I'm Lutheran for more or less the same reasons as GCC. I haven't found any other church tradition where the Gospel is as clearly preached.
 
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My personal issue with the LCMS is the lack of an episcopal polity. I believe the scriptures point to, and the Didache is explicit in, a episcopal structure. Otherwise I am happy with the worship service of my local parish and the general theology and direction of the synod.


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But this is not a doctrinal issue with the LCMS, it is their current structure. I doubt they will change, but they could. As it is the presidential structure is not really that different from a episcopal structure other than the name.
 
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I agree fully with this point Steve. I also agree that all that is really needed is to change district to diocese and President to Bishop. The congregationalist orientation is just fine, but it would be honoring our confessions to recognize what is basically a reality anyway.

On a side note, it seems that some Presidents are already recognized and called Bishops anyway. I don't think we'd really have to change much, except the names.
 
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Hello, GCC.

The OP is a long one--but interesting. However, I might have missed something because of the length, so forgive me if that turns out to be the case.

It seems obvious to me that the four-church federation recently created among Continuing Anglican churches would meet all your objectives...except for the size factor. I would not mention this except that you contemplated the idea of joining the ACNA like your friend has done.

I have to think that when someone is as determined as you (and I) are not to just "settle for" or "make do" when it comes to finding a church home, the size of the church body ought not be the deciding factor. Within reason, of course.

And yet I dont recall that the Continuing Churches even came in for a mention in the OP. Given that you discussed Anglicanism at length, that surprised me.
 
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