Why I Am No Longer A Republican

[EdwinWillers]

Jesus, said to pay your taxes. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. He also never advocated being against the government giving to the poor.

Ben Franklin is welcome to all my Ben Franklins.

 

[Viren]

Ben Franklin is welcome to all my Ben Franklins.

Ben Franklin isn't president.

 

[MachZer0]

Jesus, said to pay your taxes. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. He also never advocated being against the government giving to the poor.

He didn't say to pay you taxes. He said give to Caesar that which is Caesar's. He was answering a question without actually giving an answer to a question meant to trick Him into alienating one group over another. He outwitted the questioner

 

[EdwinWillers]

Jesus, said to pay your taxes. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. He also never advocated being against the government giving to the poor.

Ben Franklin isn't president.

Well then neither is Caeser.

Analogy fail.

 

[MachZer0]

You have to think of it like this.
Being rich is literally a sin. It is a sin just to be rich.

I think Jesus called the money changers (wall street bankers) thieves. What were they doing? Nothing but business transactions. Well he called that stealing, and threw them out.

Being rich is not a sin.

 

[MachZer0]

Pretty sure he did. I'd say threatens of hell is essentially forcing you.
If you believe in hell, you better believe Jesus is forcing you to give away your money.

I'd say threats of hell from God himself, is much more forcing than someone physically taking it.

Let's paint a physical picture so you can understand the forcing part better.

Jesus says; Give away your money or you will end up in hell.

You are like: Nah Jesus is letting me choose whether to do it or not. So I don't have to if I don't want to.

After you are dead. Jesus has angels forcibly drag you to hell for being a rich man.

See how the forcing analogy works better now?

The problenm is, aside from the poor analogy, Jesus said for us to help the poor. He never said for us to use the government's power to force others to help the poor.

 

[Viren]

He didn't say to pay you taxes. He said give to Caesar that which is Caesar's. He was answering a question without actually giving an answer to a question meant to trick Him into alienating one group over another. He outwitted the questioner

Yeah, and he also said to pay taxes.

 

[ObamaChristian]

Being rich is not a sin.

Then why can't rich people get into heaven?
Pretty sure, there are numerous biblical verses that support being rich as a sin.

Why was Lazarus in hell and the poor man in heaven?
Why did Jesus say it was pretty much impossible for rich people to go to heaven?

You make one sentence statements and yet have no biblical verses to back them up.
If there is any sin that Jesus himself confirms, it's the sin to be rich and not give away your money.
Can Jesus make his anger towards the rich anymore clear?

I guess it's just more fun being blind to all the verses Jesus gives about rich people not being able to go to heaven.

Jesus has never said any other sinner would have trouble entering heaven aside from rich people.

You ever stop to think why Jesus was so specific, about rich people?

 

[MachZer0]

Ben Franklin isn't president.

The funny thing is that our money doesn't belong to the current government either

 

[MachZer0]

Then why can't rich people get into heaven?
Pretty sure, there are numerous biblical verses that support being rich as a sin.

Why was Lazarus in hell and the poor man in heaven?
Why did Jesus say it was pretty much impossible for rich people to go to heaven?

You make one sentence statements and yet have no biblical verses to back them up.
If there is any sin that Jesus himself confirms, it's the sin to be rich and give away your money.
Can Jesus make his anger towards the rich anymore clear?

David was rich. Do you think he's in Hell?

 

[MachZer0]

Yeah, and he also said to pay taxes.

Asked and answered

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

Actually, it is the opposite - Jesus was the world's # 1 Jewish liberal and the bible clearly proves it.

You honestly believe Jesus would approve of ANY of the political parties in this world? I said I believe conservative beliefs are closest to the Bible in my opinion (for example when the Bible says it's wrong to murder someone, then I don't think people should be slaughtering innocent babies; when the Bible says you shouldn't get "drunk" or high I don't agree with making any hallucinating drugs legal; when the Bible clearly states multiple times that a man and a woman should be together and nothing else, then I believe that; etc...). I didn't say I believed all of them though. Again, for example, many conservatives believe we should have the death penalty...no matter what the people did they should be able to have their chance of asking God for forgiveness. If you want to believe that Jesus was a "liberal", then believe what you want, but I don't think He would have been liberal or conservative since they're both worldly politics and He's..well..God of everything.

 

[ObamaChristian]

You honestly believe Jesus would approve of ANY of the political parties in this world? I said I believe conservative beliefs are closest to the Bible in my opinion (for example when the Bible says it's wrong to murder someone, then I don't think people should be slaughtering innocent babies; when the Bible says you shouldn't get "drunk" or high I don't agree with making any hallucinating drugs legal; when the Bible clearly states multiple times that a man and a woman should be together and nothing else, then I believe that; etc...). I didn't say I believed all of them though. Again, for example, many conservatives believe we should have the death penalty...no matter what the people did they should be able to have their chance of asking God for forgiveness. If you want to believe that Jesus was a "liberal", then believe what you want, but I don't think He would have been liberal or conservative since they're both worldly politics and He's..well..God of everything.

Sure, the old testament might be more inline with republican thoughts, but certainly not the new testament.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

Being rich is not a sin.

I laughed when I read what he said honestly. So let's say I get so far in life that I have $100,000 in the bank (which would be rich to someone who has...$1,000) and even though I could have been the most giving person and worshipped God with all my heart and accepted Jesus as my savior...nope you have too much money to Hell with you....
Just..no...
Nowhere in the Bible is that stated..

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

Sure, the old testament might be more inline with republican thoughts, but certainly not the new testament.

I wasn't referring to the Old Testament.

 

[ObamaChristian]

David was rich. Do you think he's in Hell?

LOL, is that your example? You must not know the bible. Go read Chronicles 29:3.

David died a POOR man. He gave all his wordily possessions to God. Go ahead and ignore what Jesus says about the rich.

You cannot be rich without worshipping money which is a false idol. Because if you placed God above money, you would give your money away as Jesus calls you to.

The fact, you see poor people in this world and have not given up your wealth as Jesus commands, is a fact you worship money above God, and that is a sin.

It is a sin to be rich. Just because you cannot get over your love of money, go on keep trying to find ways to justify it's right to be rich.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Then why can't rich people get into heaven?

Uh... Abraham was rich; most - if not all of the patriarchs were rich; David was rich; Solomon was the richest person on earth at the time; Nicodemus was rich; Luke was a doctor and probably therefore not exactly poor; Joseph, in who's tomb Jesus was laid was rich; Cornelius was pretty well off, as were Prisca and Aquilla, Lydia, and et. al.; Job was remarkably wealthy - at God's hand no less - and the list goes on, and on, and on; Billy Graham is rich - heck, most every Christian in the western world is "rich" by many standards.

So tell us, why aren't they getting to heaven?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And yet Jesus never advocated for forcibly taking money from the person who earned it and giving it to a person who didn't earn it

Yeah, he only died to give grace to persons who didn't earn it. Stop mooching off someone else's hard, salvific work.

 

[ObamaChristian]

I laughed when I read what he said honestly. So let's say I get so far in life that I have $100,000 in the bank (which would be rich to someone who has...$1,000) and even though I could have been the most giving person and worshipped God with all my heart and accepted Jesus as my savior...nope you have too much money to Hell with you....
Just..no...
Nowhere in the Bible is that stated..

Huh? Jesus clearly states, in Luke, Mark, and Matthew

"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"

Given that it's impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, what do you think that means?

It literally means it's impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

I bet, if Jesus stated that it was impossible for rich people to enter heaven, you'd still find ways to ignore it.

What is your example based on? Nothing in the bible.
You do not think it is a sin for someone to have 6 houses, and does not give a single house to someone who is poor?

What would Jesus tell that rich man? Don't worry about giving to the poor, he didn't EARN it. Don't make me laugh.

 

[EdwinWillers]

LOL, is that your example? You must not know the bible. Go read Chronicles 29:3.

David died a POOR man. He gave all his wordily possessions to God. Go ahead and ignore what Jesus says about the rich.

You cannot be rich without worshipping money which is a false idol. Because if you placed God above money, you would give your money away as Jesus calls you to.

The fact, you see poor people in this world and have not given up your wealth as Jesus commands, is a fact you worship money above God, and that is a sin.

It is a sin to be rich. Just because you cannot get over your love of money, go on keep trying to find ways to justify it's right to be rich.

Good grief - it is not a sin to be rich. One doesn't need to "worship money" to have money. The sin is in worshipping money, loving money more than God. Jesus plainly stated it's not possible to worship God and money at the same time - but that does not mean it's not possible to have money and worship God. I mean, seriously - who teaches such nonsense? More importantly, who believes it?