Why Hate China?

[AmericanChristian91]

How are the Chinese "communists" in anything other than name?

The Chinese system is much closer to fascism.

You and me are talking about different things. The term Fascism has 2 different meanings.

Look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The Fascism that is well known was the original called Italian Fascism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism

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Mussolini defined fascism as being a collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism. He wrote in The Doctrine of Fascism:

Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.

That is the Fascism i am referring to. The original one.

The one you are referring to is this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_%28epithet%29

I am referring to the original use of the term which is what Mussolini created.

Before WW2 and during WW2 Fascists were against Socialism/Communism while it was the other way around. If you actually look up in that Fascist beliefs (not the slang term i showed in a link above) they are quite opposite from Socialists/Communists.

There were riots around the world during those days in which the 2 sides fought each other.

Not even Nazism is Fascism. It was similar to the original Fascism (known as Italian Fascism) but it was different. It really depends on what type of Fascism you are talking about.

 

[Stinker]

Oh how important patriotism is!

If our leaders, years ago, had not chosen to put their own short-term profit in place of National Security, we would not be having Communist Red China as our soon to be land lords. Get used to this picture because as soon as most people's personal treasuries (bank accounts) have been forced to be drained, Democracy will be finished here in the U.S.A. When you don't export hardly anything, and you import nearly everything then this is automatic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21583299/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/11/

 

[ArnautDaniel]

You and me are talking about different things. The term Fascism has 2 different meanings.

Look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The Fascism that is well known was the original called Italian Fascism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism

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Mussolini defined fascism as being a collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism. He wrote in The Doctrine of Fascism:

Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.

That is the Fascism i am referring to. The original one.

The one you are referring to is this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_%28epithet%29

I am referring to the original use of the term which is what Mussolini created.

Before WW2 and during WW2 Fascists were against Socialism/Communism while it was the other way around. If you actually look up in that Fascist beliefs (not the slang term i showed in a link above) they are quite opposite from Socialists/Communists.

There were riots around the world during those days in which the 2 sides fought each other.

Not even Nazism is Fascism. It was similar to the original Fascism (known as Italian Fascism) but it was different. It really depends on what type of Fascism you are talking about.

I am talking about the Italian model fascism of the corporate state.

I don't know what you are talking about, and you have no idea what I'm talking about.

China has effectively become a state organized around corporations run by an elite ruling class to make profits to benefit that ruling class. The state effectively organizes labor for those corporations.

A communist state would not have such a ruling class, there might be people in positions of political power, but they would really be just another group of workers and not have a standard of living too noticeably different from the average worker.

China is fascist in the original Italian sense of the term.

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For the record, I'd argue that the US is fascist as well (in the same sense), though less so at present than China (though working diligently to change that).

 

[ElijahFalling]

Sweden!

They don't have free speech in Sweden.

 

[AppletonEstate]

As I recall American history, America killed over 970,000 pro-independence fighters in the American civil war. They are really in no position to criticize the actions of China.

 

[ArnautDaniel]

As I recall American history, America killed over 970,000 pro-independence fighters in the American civil war. They are really in no position to criticize the actions of China.

Well there is the difference in that the Southern states willingly joined the American Union prior to trying to secede in the Civil War, whereas the Tibetans have never willingly joined China.

 

[AppletonEstate]

Well there is the difference in that the Southern states willingly joined the American Union prior to trying to secede in the Civil War, whereas the Tibetans have never willingly joined China.

The majority of America was forceably taken against it's will though conquest, genocide, assimilation and biological warfare.

 

[ArnautDaniel]

Oh how important patriotism is!

If our leaders, years ago, had not chosen to put their own short-term profit in place of National Security, we would not be having Communist Red China as our soon to be land lords. Get used to this picture because as soon as most people's personal treasuries (bank accounts) have been forced to be drained, Democracy will be finished here in the U.S.A. When you don't export hardly anything, and you import nearly everything then this is automatic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21583299/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/11/

As they say:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

The US is becoming more like China everyday.

Everytime I hear something is secret and not subject to public review due to "national security", or some policy cannot be questioned or some process must be secret because of "terrorism", I think to myself:

My, how much more Chinese we are these days.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

As I recall American history, America killed over 970,000 pro-independence fighters in the American civil war. They are really in no position to criticize the actions of China.

No.

There were about 600,000 deaths on both sides in the Civil War.

That's the total.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Because hating Iraq isn't cool anymore. We have to move with the times y'know.

 

[AppletonEstate]

No.

There were about 600,000 deaths on both sides in the Civil War.

That's the total.

+ civilians, it is estimated that over 50,000 slaves were executed by their southern owners rather then be allowed to be captured by Northern troops and possibly used against the South. Well 50,000 is only a small number in the over all American genocide against Africans brought to America it is still significant.