They are already in their proper context : All you have to do is leave them alone : those who have God's true spirit will understand them : Mt 13(11), 1 Cor 2
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They are already in their proper context : All you have to do is leave them alone : those who have God's true spirit will understand them : Mt 13(11), 1 Cor 2I'm not taking anything away from them, I'm taking them in their proper context instead of squeezing strange philosophies out of random verses.
John 4(24): God is a spirit, and they that worship him , must worship him in spirit and truth !!Some people seem to forget that God is a person.
Amen brother : Prov 3(7): be not wise in thine own eyes ! : and : Isaiah 55(8&9)Best not to judge God or people.
Close , but no cigar , Skywriting : God definitely did create evil : Isaiah 45(7) : as God surely created all things : And all things means exactly what it says : ALL THINGS ! To say otherwise, because you do not understand something : exactly what happens when you lean unto your own understanding : Prov 3(5), Isa 55(8&9)Jesus gave his life to cover for our sins, so evil was part of the plan all along.
God allowed it, but technically did not create it.
As you said one should not lean unto their own understanding. Did God intend for there to be moral evil in the world?Close , but no cigar , Skywriting : God definitely did create evil : Isaiah 45(7) : as God surely created all things : And all things means exactly what it says : ALL THINGS ! To say otherwise, because you do not understand something : exactly what happens when you lean unto your own understanding : Prov 3(5), Isa 55(8&9)
That would be your understanding. You make the mistake ofClose , but no cigar , Skywriting : God definitely did create evil : Isaiah 45(7) : as God surely created all things : And all things means exactly what it says : ALL THINGS ! To say otherwise, because you do not understand something : exactly what happens when you lean unto your own understanding : Prov 3(5), Isa 55(8&9)
I think of others as I'd wish them to think of me.Amen brother : Prov 3(7): be not wise in thine own eyes ! : and : Isaiah 55(8&9)
He is bothJohn 4(24): God is a spirit, and they that worship him , must worship him in spirit and truth !!
steve78 said:Nobody really knows what God really is. There are three parts, the holy spirit, Jesus who became flesh and walked among man and God the father.
I always wonder why we address God as him that assumes he is male. In reality God is an it.
John tower said:God definitely did create evil : Isaiah 45(7) : as God surely created all things : And all things means exactly what it says : ALL THINGS ! To say otherwise, because you do not understand something : exactly what happens when you lean unto your own understanding : Prov 3(5), Isa 55(8&9)
Scripture does indeed say God created evil : Isaiah 45(7) : The bible clearly says from cover to cover that God created all things Rev 4(11), Prov 16(4) : Are you saying that there is another creator other then God ?God is not an it. Yahweh, who is alone God, is personal, and even with being more personal than any, with being necessary existence being unlimited, including in being personal. It is true our pronouns in our language, "he" or "she", are inadequate for Yahweh, for whom just "God" is most certainly adequately appropriate.
What do you mean by evil? Yahweh did not create what is evil right off. There are creations from Yahweh that are for good purposes, but can be evil that Yahweh permits for those who sin to experience that if they were not of those who sin they would not be there to experience.
Genesis 3(22): Knowing good AND EVIL are both necessary parts of becoming like God , as God himself says in this verse : the truth is that ALL THINGS in the creation , good and bad work together for good or God would not have created them : Rom 8(20&28) : we just don't have the whole picture right now : Isa 55(8&9)It would be good to notice also, in the beginning, everything was good. Then people rejected God (good truth and love) and get the chance to know what evil means (lack of good, truth and love = God).
God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Gen. 1:31
But it is correct, Bible says God forms evil. But in this case, it is good to think, what evil really is. It is actually nothing, it is like darkness or emptiness, it is what is left, when good is not present. Good on the other hand is like light. And when the light doesn’t shine, evil remains. People wanted to know evil and therefore we were expelled to this darkness. Luckily there is still some light remaining so that people could find the truth.
To shine on those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death; To guide our feet into the way of peace."
Luke 1:79
But “darkness” doesn’t comprehend it, as it is said in:
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:5
"I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life."
John 8:12
Unfortunately, many seem to choose the darkness.
FredVB said:God is not an it. Yahweh, who is alone God, is personal, and even with being more personal than any, with being necessary existence being unlimited, including in being personal. It is true our pronouns in our language, "he" or "she", are inadequate for Yahweh, for whom just "God" is most certainly adequately appropriate.
What do you mean by evil? Yahweh did not create what is evil right off. There are creations from Yahweh that are for good purposes, but can be evil that Yahweh permits for those who sin to experience that if they were not of those who sin they would not be there to experience.
John tower said:Scripture does indeed say God created evil : Isaiah 45(7) : The bible clearly says from cover to cover that God created all things Rev 4(11), Prov 16(4) : Are you saying that there is another creator other then God ?
Archivist said:WHY GOD CREATED EVIL
Perhaps it was a slow day in the office?
What verse?I see there is almost always someone to see this verse and ask about it. It seems unusual to me that there will yet be a mind made up from that passage that God creates any evil, for their doctrine, and that being the case would distort all justice.
The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation ! How do they arrive at this blasphemous false doctrine ? The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding : PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding , ” Why does the bible tell us not to lean unto our own understanding ? : 1 CORINTHIANS 13(12) : ” For now we see through a glass darkly , for NOW WE KNOW IN PART . ” This is why the bible tells us not to lean unto our own understanding : Because we presently have very limited understanding, and we will think that we see something wrong, WHEN THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING WRONG, WE JUST THINK THAT WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG , BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING . A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it . Well for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ? If we read GENESIS 3(22) : We see that GOD HIMSELF SAYS : ” The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! ” So ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF , EVIL DOES INDEED HAVE A GOOD PURPOSE : IT IS PART OF BECOMING AS A GOD ! But if we lean unto our own understanding , we don’t understand this, and we think that evil is only bad : So we then say that God did not create it , thus now SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE ALL THINGS : ” A SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY .” We say that God does not want evil in his creation : Yet evil is still there : THUS IMPLYING THAT GOD IS NOT EVEN IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN CREATION : Because according to them all these things are there that God supposedly does not want : YET ANOTHER SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD ! The truth of course is that GOD CREATED ALL THINGS , INCLUDING EVIL : AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD in his great plan , and God is in absolute control, even if we don’t understand it yet ! Listen to what God says to us in ISAIAH 55(8&9) : ” 8 : ” For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways , ” 9 : ” For as the heavens are higher then the Earth , so are my ways higher then your ways , and my thoughts then your thoughts . ” Following are a few more examples of things that God uses to fulfill his purposes that if we lean unto our own limited understanding, we might think are bad , thus saying that what God does is bad ; 1 SAMUEL 16(14) : ” But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him .” and 1 KINGS 22(23) : ” Now therefore behold : THE LORD HATH PUT A LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all these thy prophets .” So remember PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all thine heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding .” STOP BLASPHEMING EVERY TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND , AND SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT DO IT OR CREATE IT : YOU ARE ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND ! PROVERBS 3(7) : ” BE NOT WISE IN THINE OWN EYES , FEAR THE LORD, DEPART FROM EVIL . ” : IT IS A GREAT EVIL TO BE WISE IN THINE OWN EYES AND JUDGE GOD !
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