Why God breaks his commandments ? !

[elman]

I wasn't speaking of the command to love. I spoke of the Old Law, with all its rules and regulations. It is a righteous law, but we cannot follow it perfectly, which leaves us cursed for breaking it. But it wasn't meant for us to follow perfectly, because if it was we could save ourselves with it. The law shows us that trying to save ourselves only curses us, hence we need a savior.

Jesus taught the law was summed up in the command to love. Trying to love others does not curse us. Yes we need grace and forgivenss because we all fall short. There is no law in the Bible against trying to be loving to our neighbor.

 

[Hakan101]

Jesus taught the law was summed up in the command to love. Trying to love others does not curse us. Yes we need grace and forgivenss because we all fall short. There is no law in the Bible against trying to be loving to our neighbor.

Trying to love does curse us if we do it as a means of saving ourselves, rather than out of joy because we are already saved. The law is good, but it cannot save us, only Jesus can.

 

[elman]

Trying to love does curse us if we do it as a means of saving ourselves, rather than out of joy because we are already saved. The law is good, but it cannot save us, only Jesus can.

I agree we cannot be loving enough to make demands on God. I do not agree trying to love others will ever be a curse to us.

 

[Hakan101]

I agree we cannot be loving enough to make demands on God. I do not agree trying to love others will ever be a curse to us.

First look at this...

By trying to follow God's law, but failing, we became cursed.

Then look at this...

Trying to love does curse us if we do it as a means of saving ourselves, rather than out of joy because we are already saved. The law is good, but it cannot save us, only Jesus can.

Then finally this.

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

My answers are with this context in mind. I'm not saying "Loving others" is a curse, I said that when we try to obey the law as means of saving us, we are cursed, because we try to uphold it and fail.

 

[Galvanized]

dude , are you trying to give an excuse to God ? !

I'm quite positive I was responding to you and not giving any excuses to God.

God replaced his will and orders
isn't he the one told us in the beginning "don't commit adultery"
and after sometime he is the one telling us i will let this woman to commit adultery .. in addition talking to his prophet go and take a adulterous woman ? !!

I'm not sure what you're saying. As I said, Hosea did not commit adultery. And David was being punished for his own adultery by God allowing evil men to do unto him what he did unto his servant. I fail to see the problem with it. You're looking for a problem, especially when you keep referencing Hosea meaninglessly.

brother
don't you remember this verse :

I'm not your brother. I am not a Muslim.

a God ordered us not to commit adultery then he breaks his commandment telling us that he will let prophet's wives to commit adultery by his own will ? !!

She commits adultery by her own will. God commanded Hosea to marry her as a demonstration of what God goes through with Israel, also an adulterous wife.

or a God said in the book (habakkuk 1) " we shall not die" then after sometime he is making for us a story dying on the cross claiming it's for our salvation ? !!

I'm not sure what you're saying again. But, just for the record, since maybe you didn't know, Christ died and rose again.

or a God said in the book " the hanged on the tree is cursed" then after some times he comes in the flesh crucified therefore God cursed himself ? !

That was kind of the point.
Galatians 3
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

what kind of God is this ? !

A God who saves.

 

[Galvanized]

That is your interpretation and I think it is wrong--not fact. The consequence of our sin is spiritual death, not spiritual death. We know this because both the righteous and the wicked die spiritually---but only the righteous shall live and not die.

The righteous and the wicked die physically, which is a consequence of our original fall from grace in the garden of Eden. Our souls are eternal, even in hell. The first death is better defined as a separation between the soul and the body. The second death is eternal separation between the soul and God.

I certainly can and you do it also. You obviously ignore the teachings of Ezekiel 18.

There are no immortals. That scripture also says "they shall surely live". In other words, they will not be struck down by God for their sins. All have sinned and all physically die. The righteous are raised again and live eternally. However, it doesn't change the fact that they die once from the body, unless they're Enoch, Elijah, or raptured for one reason or another.

No it says all scripture is and then does not define scripture as the King James version of the Bible.

The Bible itself assumes that it is true. There is no indication in scripture, in the Gospels for example, that Jesus did not believe the Old Testament. Neither is there any indication that not all of the New Testament is literal as well. You have no evidence except your own bigotries against scripture that disagrees with your POV. If this is not true, provide evidence that not all the Bible is true.

I don't follow what you are saying here. If a soldier kills someone on the orders of his commanding officer, then he has killed someone because he was told to kill them.

Then every soldier, in any war, good or bad, is told to "kill someone because someone told him too". It's a meaningless quibble. If the cause is good, why balk at following orders? Your statement is totally meaningless because we aren't talking about any particular war or scenario. It's just a quibble to puff up the vanity, as if you are beyond all war and all blood shedding. You aren't. You have, on one hand, your honor, and on the other, your duty to your country. I'd rather fulfill both than be accounted a coward. There is nothing significantly righteous about the man who, self righteously from the comfort of his home, condemns his country and speaks of its heroes as somehow lacking in moral fiber. What about all the Fathers of this country who shed their blood for this country? What about the men who still die for it? You spit on their achievements with such meaningless talk. If you aren't going to fight in a war, why even talk about it? Then don't fight.

 

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[Usama.Egyptian]

thanks for the administrators to reopening the topic again

let us continue why God breaks his commandments ?

we have been talking about the following :
1- don't murder but God broke his commandment while he is the one ordered jews to kill people and also to murder even nursing babies, infants and animals.
2- don't commit adultery but God broke his commandment as he allowed some prophets' wives to sleep with others as a result of punishment.



testimony and witness
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Exodus 20:16


the goal of such commandment is to say the truth and invite people to the truth always. But the opposite what happened from God he putted strong delusion for some people to say lies intentionally ? You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
God told us to say the truth
While he himself intentionally sent delusion for some to say lies ? !!


And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:11

Some may say you have to follow the context and I already did, the point here is not just the context it’s when God ordered us to say the truth and not to say any false testimony, he didn’t make any kind of exceptions, not even just one single exception so however the situation is and whatever the time is, God shall not break his commandments also but finally we discover he did sent delusion to let people say lies.


peace be with you all

 

[elman]

First look at this...


Then look at this...


Then finally this.

My answers are with this context in mind. I'm not saying "Loving others" is a curse, I said that when we try to obey the law as means of saving us, we are cursed, because we try to uphold it and fail.

Trying to obey the law of love is not to be cursed but to be blessed. Trying to obey the laws of men can be a curse.

 

[elman]

=Galvanized;58271357]The righteous and the wicked die physically, which is a consequence of our original fall from grace in the garden of Eden. Our souls are eternal, even in hell. The first death is better defined as a separation between the soul and the body. The second death is eternal separation between the soul and God.

Our souls are not eternal if we kill them Ezekiel 18. That is the first death--when we kill ourselves spiritually with our own sin. The second death is when we die physcially without having been recreated spiritually. As you say it is eternal death.

The Bible itself assumes that it is true.

The Bible never defines itself as to what books are in the bible.

There is no indication in scripture, in the Gospels for example, that Jesus did not believe the Old Testament.

There are many examples in the Gospels of Jesus saying you have heard, but I say--and He said once when His disciples were eating grain on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Neither is there any indication that not all of the New Testament is literal as well.

There are many indications the stories in the New Testament are not literal. Jesus said the letter kills , but the spirit gives life.

You have no evidence except your own bigotries against scripture that disagrees with your POV. If this is not true, provide evidence that not all the Bible is true.

There are many examples of the Bible being unclear or contradictory. The more famous ones are when it says none are righterous but it also says Job was righteous and in Ezekiel 18 it says we can turn from wickedness to righteousness. It says none seek God, but then in Acts 17 it says we are created for the purpose of seeking God. Jesus said seek and you shall find. He was talking about seeking God People throughout the bible sought God and sought to undestand and obey Him.

Then every soldier, in any war, good or bad, is told to "kill someone because someone told him too". It's a meaningless quibble. If the cause is good, why balk at following orders?

How do you know the cause is good? How do you know what your officer's agenda is when you are ordered to kill?

Your statement is totally meaningless because we aren't talking about any particular war or scenario.

We are talking about every war and in every war men are ordered to kill other men.

It's just a quibble to puff up the vanity, as if you are beyond all war and all blood shedding.

You presume to judge me--you are not smart enough to be judging people.

You aren't. You have, on one hand, your honor, and on the other, your duty to your country. I'd rather fulfill both than be accounted a coward.

So a man who refuses to obey an order to kill is automatically a coward. How foolish you are. It can take more courage to disobey such orders than it takes to obey them.

There is nothing significantly righteous about the man who, self righteously from the comfort of his home, condemns his country and speaks of its heroes as somehow lacking in moral fiber. What about all the Fathers of this country who shed their blood for this country? What about the men who still die for it? You spit on their achievements with such meaningless talk. If you aren't going to fight in a war, why even talk about it? Then don't fight.

Some one can disagree with your patriotism and be sincere about it. That is possible. Refusing to kill someone on the orders of a man I do not know is not spitting on anyone or anything. It is refusing to be an unthinking sheep that blindly obeys any orders no matter how wrong it may be.