Why God breaks his commandments ? !

[elman]

God pronounced a death sentence upon all humanity. As Tyler Durden says, on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone is zero. He technically could make us all live forever, even in our sins, because that is his power. Instead, however, he allows us to die. Therefore, if I think like you, God has technically killed every one of us because he has declared that the wages of sin is death.

Of those who perished in the past, you also forget when God destroyed Sodom. Surely there was a baby or two in there? Or how about the great flood of Noah? The entire world was destroyed except for Noah and his immediate family. Surely there were children among those who drowned? I don't understand why you cite these examples where He commanded the Jews to inflict His judgments and not His more famous examples that had a higher death count.

God is, well, God. He alone decides who lives, and who shall die. He knows all that has happened and all that will happen. Every hair on your head is in the possession of God, until such time as He allows you to fall into some abyss. Yes, He even allows bad things to happen, and good things also. What piece of pottery can say to his maker, why has thou made me thus? Especially pottery such as ourselves, who belong to a degenerate race given over to evil. His judgments are absolutely righteous in these examples. The chosen people were the Jews. The enemies of the Jews had done great evil. So, what do you do? Does God kill their parents but leave the children? What do the children do years later? What would have happened if the Jews did not do as they had been commanded?

The feud with Amalek, as one example, is an ancient one. God had ordained it from long before that they would be destroyed.

Deut. 25
17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; 18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. 19 Therefore it shall be, when the Lord thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

They were ancient enemies of God who had never repented of their ways. Those who do repent are always spared, even if they had been judged for similar death by God prior. Nineveh is one example, or maybe the Gibonites from Joshua 9. Had the Amalek's any hope of being different in the future, and not a cause of death and destruction, then they would have been spared. They were judged because they were enemies to God and would always remain so. Their destruction, right down to the men, women, and even the cattle they owned, was the judgment of God against a people whose cup of sin had been filled and was now ready for removal. In the same way you also stand in danger of death at any given time. He holds your life in His hand, and He alone knows how many days He has ordained for you. For those children who died, what about all those others who die from natural causes at child birth? Or what about the child of David who perished because of David's sin? Why did he deserve to die for David? It is because it is God's right and power to do so, even as a punishment against the parents, or as a warning to others of what terrible judgments will come for those who offend God and do evil; secondly, because He knows all the possibilities before they happen; third, because to die is often to gain. There will be no hellfire for those who could not have sinned.

And I thought Usama was killed? Did he float up to the surface and drift into Egypt?

God gifted us all with life --temporary life. That is not killing us or provouning a death sentence upon us.

 

[elman]

God's ways are pure and just. It is not for us to decide who shall life or die, but God. Therefore if decreed by God, it is good. In Christ, us Christians are commanded to love our neighbor as well as our enemy though...so killing others is out of the question. That said, someone breaks into my home I think I would kill them...this is because of my flesh and is a sin.

The one who does not provide for his own is worse than an infidel. I believe we are duty bound to protect our loved ones and I do not believe it is a sin.

 

[elman]

Samuel hacked to death the king of the Amaleks like it was nothing.
Daniel slew Goliath and many others who were enemies of God.
There is nothing wrong with killing for self defense, or in war against an enemy who threatens your people. War is inevitable. In fact, even greater war is coming within our lifetimes.

I believe there is a time to kill and some killing is not evil and not sin. However I am not comfortable with killing because my officer told me it was the right thing to do.

 

[Galvanized]

God gifted us all with life --temporary life. That is not killing us or provouning a death sentence upon us.

I was speaking on his terms, Usama's. However, it is appointed unto men to die once. The wages of sin are death. Perhaps the wages of sin could have been life? It is the nature of God to hate sin, and it is the punishment of disobeying God from man's original sin that sentenced us to die at least once.

 

[Galvanized]

I believe there is a time to kill and some killing is not evil and not sin. However I am not comfortable with killing because my officer told me it was the right thing to do.

Who said anything about officers? But since you bring it up, as an American, if I am called to war, I'll definitely serve my country.

Richard Lovelace

To Lucasta, going to the Wars

TELL me not, Sweet, I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly.

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As thou too shalt adore;
I could not love thee, Dear, so much,
Loved I not Honour more.

 

[Doveaman]

Who said anything about officers? But since you bring it up, as an American, if I am called to war, I'll definitely serve my country.

What about if you are called to go to war against an army consisting of Christians who are also fighting for their own country? Christians killing Christians in defense of their country. A holy war - Christians at war with Christians, praying to the same God for victory over the Christians.

I wonder who's prayers God would answer.

 

[Galvanized]

What about if you are called to go to war against an army consisting of Christians who are also fighting for their own country? Christians killing Christians in defense of their country. A holy war - Christians at war with Christians, praying to the same God for victory over the Christians.

I wonder who's prayers God would answer.

Heheheheheh, that certainly won't be an issue in this decadent day and age. Your hypothetical doesn't negate the fact that wars are inevitable and will need to be fought. Your unwillingness to participate in one doesn't mean there won't be one. All the hypothetical scenarios in the world won't remove a gun pointed at your face. In fact, I have a strong hunch that within our lifetimes we'll see another world war.

 

[Faulty]

well let us say it's "don't murder"

can anyone tell me what is the crime of a child ? or an animal ?

certainly it's a murder to kill a nursing baby that was just born or an innocent child or an animal even within a war !!!

still the question is pending

"why God breaks his commandments ? "

Samuel 1 15:3
Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

I think what you have here is a categorical error. The commandments are given for men concerning their authority to give and take life. God requires no such authority and gives and takes life as He sees fit, because it's His to give and take. (Job 27:8 and many others)

If you asked a friend to watch your house while you are on vacation, you give them certain rights, such as the right to enter the house, walk around in various rooms, feed the pets, etc. These are your commandments to him concerning this issue. However, you do not give him the right to paint the walls, rearrange the furniture, knock out a wall or two, etc. These are rights retained by the owner of the house, and not extended to the friend.

In this particular instance, we can see what happens when God is disobeyed in such matters. A little biblical study of these descendants of Amalek and his people and you'll find a few interesting notable occurrences. For example, Saul, himself, was killed by an Amalekite. Later, a descendent named Haman tried to wide out the entire population of the Jews as chronicled in the book of Esther. After that, a man known as Herod the Great would order the massacre of the male children around Bethlehem in an attempt to wipe out the Messiah.

Also, generally when you see God ordering an entire population to be wiped out, that people can be traced back to the Anakites or Rephaites, or even a few smaller tribes which were descendants of the Nephilim, a partial human hybrid, as a merciful act of cleansing for the rest of us, because the first cleansing came at the flood of Noah.

 

[elman]

I think what you have here is a categorical error. The commandments are given for men concerning their authority to give and take life. God requires no such authority and gives and takes life as He sees fit, because it's His to give and take. (Job 27:8 and many others)

If you asked a friend to watch your house while you are on vacation, you give them certain rights, such as the right to enter the house, walk around in various rooms, feed the pets, etc. These are your commandments to him concerning this issue. However, you do not give him the right to paint the walls, rearrange the furniture, knock out a wall or two, etc. These are rights retained by the owner of the house, and not extended to the friend.

In this particular instance, we can see what happens when God is disobeyed in such matters. A little biblical study of these descendants of Amalek and his people and you'll find a few interesting notable occurrences. For example, Saul, himself, was killed by an Amalekite. Later, a descendent named Haman tried to wide out the entire population of the Jews as chronicled in the book of Esther. After that, a man known as Herod the Great would order the massacre of the male children around Bethlehem in an attempt to wipe out the Messiah.

Also, generally when you see God ordering an entire population to be wiped out, that people can be traced back to the Anakites or Rephaites, or even a few smaller tribes which were descendants of the Nephilim, a partial human hybrid, as a merciful act of cleansing for the rest of us, because the first cleansing came at the flood of Noah.

No spin justifies genocide. God can be trusted to be good all the time. The bible cannot be trsuted to be innerrant. When it says God is evil or does evil, that is not divine truth. When it says God is good, that is divine truth.

 

[elman]

I was speaking on his terms, Usama's. However, it is appointed unto men to die once. The wages of sin are death. Perhaps the wages of sin could have been life? It is the nature of God to hate sin, and it is the punishment of disobeying God from man's original sin that sentenced us to die at least once.

The wages of sin is not physical death. All men die, both the righteous such as Job and the wicked. The death that is the consequences of sin is the death of the soul, our spiritual life. Ezekiel 18.

 

[elman]

Who said anything about officers? But since you bring it up, as an American, if I am called to war, I'll definitely serve my country.

Richard Lovelace

To Lucasta, going to the Wars

TELL me not, Sweet, I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly.

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As thou too shalt adore;
I could not love thee, Dear, so much,
Loved I not Honour more.

I would have also when I was young and in the service, but now I believe I would not kill someone because someone else told me to kill them.

 

[Galvanized]

No spin justifies genocide. God can be trusted to be good all the time. The bible cannot be trsuted to be innerrant. When it says God is evil or does evil, that is not divine truth. When it says God is good, that is divine truth.

You say this, and yet you dispute with me the fact that we are appointed to physically die once is a consequence of our sin and God's punishment in the garden of Eden?

The Bible can certainly be trusted to be inerrant. You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe and claim that any part of the Bible is "true or false". The Bible itself states that it is "inerrant" and useful for instruction. That you do not like one phrase or another, or that something does not fit in with your own beliefs, does not negate it or change reality. Your "beliefs" do not negate reality. What God says, negates you on the other hand. This is the stuff of weakness that gives unbelievers no reason to be something other than what they are. They recognize the weakness in believers who do not actually believe. They understand the problem of the idea of "this is false, and this line here is divine truth".

I would have also when I was young and in the service, but now I believe I would not kill someone because someone else told me to kill them.

And what does this statement have in common with reality? I can't think of any possible scenario in the future where saying "I will not kill someone because someone else told me to kill them" could ever possibly be uttered or acted upon. It's fantasy, the stuff of vanity and dreams. A statement to be said that has no real application.

 

[Galvanized]

Punish the injustice of the world once and for all? Didn't he already attempt to rid the world of wicked people with the great flood? How did that work out for him?

Better than your mocking will work out for you, I assure you. You're going to find that out the hard way unless you stop confusing ignorance with intelligence.

 

[Usama.Egyptian]

Second Commandment : Adultery

Exodus 20:14
You shall not commit adultery.


after God allowed adultery to happen by his will as a result to his anger
notice : Go , take to yourself

notice : I will take your wives and give them to




- 1- When the LORD began to speak through Hosea, the LORD said to him, "Go, take to yourself an adulterous wife and children of unfaithfulness, because the land is guilty of the vilest adultery in departing from the LORD."
Hosea 1:2

- 2-

2 Samuel 12:10
Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house; because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.
"This is what the LORD says: I will stir up trouble against you within your own household, and before your own eyes I will take your wives and give them to someone close to you. He will go to bed with your wives in broad daylight.

 

[Galvanized]

Second Commandment : Adultery

Exodus 20:14
You shall not commit adultery.


after God allowed adultery to happen by his will as a result to his anger
notice : Go , take to yourself

notice : I will take your wives and give them to




- 1- When the LORD began to speak through Hosea, the LORD said to him, "Go, take to yourself an adulterous wife and children of unfaithfulness, because the land is guilty of the vilest adultery in departing from the LORD."
Hosea 1:2

At least try to think these things through before you post them for us. Hosea did not marry a married woman. He married a woman of, shall we say, ill repute to demonstrate to the children of Israel their sin.

2 Samuel 12:10
Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house; because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.
"This is what the LORD says: I will stir up trouble against you within your own household, and before your own eyes I will take your wives and give them to someone close to you. He will go to bed with your wives in broad daylight.

[/quote]

David here had taken the wife of another man after having him murdered by ordering him on the front lines of a battle. What he did in secret, God would now allow happen to him openly. The one who would inflict this punishment, Absalom, later dies. It so happens that God allows evil men free reign at times to carry out His judgments. However, that He brought the sinners to bring that judgment does not signify that He CAUSED them to sin. Instead, He brings hateful beasts by hook to serve His interests the way a fisherman catches a shark.

 

[Usama.Egyptian]

At least try to think these things through before you post them for us. Hosea did not marry a married woman. He married a woman of, shall we say, ill repute to demonstrate to the children of Israel their sin.

David here had taken the wife of another man after having him murdered by ordering him on the front lines of a battle. What he did in secret, God would now allow happen to him openly. The one who would inflict this punishment, Absalom, later dies. It so happens that God allows evil men free reign at times to carry out His judgments. However, that He brought the sinners to bring that judgment does not signify that He CAUSED them to sin. Instead, He brings hateful beasts by hook to serve His interests the way a fisherman catches a shark.[/quote]


dude , are you trying to give an excuse to God ? !

God replaced his will and orders
isn't he the one told us in the beginning "don't commit adultery"
and after sometime he is the one telling us i will let this woman to commit adultery .. in addition talking to his prophet go and take a adulterous woman ? !!

very clear .. very obvious for those willing to seek the truth

brother
don't you remember this verse :
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed.


a God ordered us not to commit adultery then he breaks his commandment telling us that he will let prophet's wives to commit adultery by his own will ? !!

or a God said in the book (habakkuk 1) " we shall not die" then after sometime he is making for us a story dying on the cross claiming it's for our salvation ? !!

or a God said in the book " the hanged on the tree is cursed" then after some times he comes in the flesh crucified therefore God cursed himself ? !

or a God said in the book while he was talking to Jesus (psalms 118) " i will save you, i will protect you , i will show you , i will deliver you i will honor you" then after some time he left Jesus dying slowly on the cross letting some jews and romans to spit on him and drink him vinegar ? !

what kind of God is this ? !

why God breaks his commandments ? !!!!!
follow me .. still more commandments broken by God
​

 

[elman]

Galvanized;58252437]You say this, and yet you dispute with me the fact that we are appointed to physically die once is a consequence of our sin and God's punishment in the garden of Eden?

That is your interpretation and I think it is wrong--not fact. The consequence of our sin is spiritual death, not spiritual death. We know this because both the righteous and the wicked die spiritually---but only the righteous shall live and not die.

The Bible can certainly be trusted to be inerrant. You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe and claim that any part of the Bible is "true or false".

I certainly can and you do it also. You obviously ignore the teachings of Ezekiel 18.

The Bible itself states that it is "inerrant" and useful for instruction.

No it says all scripture is and then does not define scripture as the King James version of the Bible.

That you do not like one phrase or another, or that something does not fit in with your own beliefs, does not negate it or change reality. Your "beliefs" do not negate reality. What God says, negates you on the other hand. This is the stuff of weakness that gives unbelievers no reason to be something other than what they are. They recognize the weakness in believers who do not actually believe. They understand the problem of the idea of "this is false, and this line here is divine truth".

Do you agree you make many mistakes in theology?

And what does this statement have in common with reality? I can't think of any possible scenario in the future where saying "I will not kill someone because someone else told me to kill them" could ever possibly be uttered or acted upon. It's fantasy, the stuff of vanity and dreams. A statement to be said that has no real application.

I don't follow what you are saying here. If a soldier kills someone on the orders of his commanding officer, then he has killed someone because he was told to kill them.

 

[Hakan101]

David here had taken the wife of another man after having him murdered by ordering him on the front lines of a battle. What he did in secret, God would now allow happen to him openly. The one who would inflict this punishment, Absalom, later dies. It so happens that God allows evil men free reign at times to carry out His judgments. However, that He brought the sinners to bring that judgment does not signify that He CAUSED them to sin. Instead, He brings hateful beasts by hook to serve His interests the way a fisherman catches a shark.


dude , are you trying to give an excuse to God ? !

God replaced his will and orders
isn't he the one told us in the beginning "don't commit adultery"
and after sometime he is the one telling us i will let this woman to commit adultery .. in addition talking to his prophet go and take a adulterous woman ? !!

very clear .. very obvious for those willing to seek the truth

brother
don't you remember this verse :
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed.


a God ordered us not to commit adultery then he breaks his commandment telling us that he will let prophet's wives to commit adultery by his own will ? !!

or a God said in the book (habakkuk 1) " we shall not die" then after sometime he is making for us a story dying on the cross claiming it's for our salvation ? !!

or a God said in the book " the hanged on the tree is cursed" then after some times he comes in the flesh crucified therefore God cursed himself ? !

or a God said in the book while he was talking to Jesus (psalms 118) " i will save you, i will protect you , i will show you , i will deliver you i will honor you" then after some time he left Jesus dying slowly on the cross letting some jews and romans to spit on him and drink him vinegar ? !

what kind of God is this ? !

why God breaks his commandments ? !!!!!
follow me .. still more commandments broken by God
​

God allowing sin to happen doesn't mean he is causing it. Without the grace of God we'd all be dead by now, because sin is committed all the time. But not by his hand, and not by his command.

Hosea is not committing adultery by marrying Gomer, he was marrying a woman who had a reputation for being unfaithful. This was symbolic of God and Israel. Israel is the unfaithful wife that continually turned away from God. God knew Israel would be unfaithful to him yet he still took her as his bride.

I do not see anywhere in Habakkuk 1 saying "we shall not die." I see a part where it says "You shall not die", referring to God. In either case, I don't think it is referring to a physical death. God doesn't have a body like we do that dies, it must be referring to a spiritual death. Even in Jesus' case, when he died his spirit didn't die, only his body did. His spirit lived and raised his body back to life.

Galatians 3:10-14 explains how Jesus became the curse for us so we might be saved.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

By trying to follow God's law, but failing, we became cursed. Jesus freed us from that curse by becoming the curse himself and dying on the cross. He himself was the price to free us from sin. If someone is hung on a tree by God's law it shows that they are cursed, so Jesus was hung on the cross in disgrace, because he became sin. By freeing us from the curse of trying to obey the law, he enabled us to receive the blessing of Abraham, which is righteousness by faith, not works.

The words you quoted are not from Psalm 118. Psalm 118 is David giving praise to God and speaking of the Messiah.

 

[elman]

God allowing sin to happen doesn't mean he is causing it. Without the grace of God we'd all be dead by now, because sin is committed all the time. But not by his hand, and not by his command.

Hosea is not committing adultery by marrying Gomer, he was marrying a woman who had a reputation for being unfaithful. This was symbolic of God and Israel. Israel is the unfaithful wife that continually turned away from God. God knew Israel would be unfaithful to him yet he still took her as his bride.

I do not see anywhere in Habakkuk 1 saying "we shall not die." I see a part where it says "You shall not die", referring to God. In either case, I don't think it is referring to a physical death. God doesn't have a body like we do that dies, it must be referring to a spiritual death. Even in Jesus' case, when he died his spirit didn't die, only his body did. His spirit lived and raised his body back to life.

Galatians 3:10-14 explains how Jesus became the curse for us so we might be saved.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

By trying to follow God's law, but failing, we became cursed. Jesus freed us from that curse by becoming the curse himself and dying on the cross. He himself was the price to free us from sin. If someone is hung on a tree by God's law it shows that they are cursed, so Jesus was hung on the cross in disgrace, because he became sin. By freeing us from the curse of trying to obey the law, he enabled us to receive the blessing of Abraham, which is righteousness by faith, not works.

The words you quoted are not from Psalm 118. Psalm 118 is David giving praise to God and speaking of the Messiah.

You are incorrect. It is not trying to obey the command to love that curses us. It is relying on that and assuming you have earned eternal life and can demand it from God that is incorrect. If one does not try to love others they fall into the condemnation of the many passages that command our obediance to the law of love. Jesus said it was not the ones who call me Lord but the ones who do what I say.

 

[Hakan101]

You are incorrect. It is not trying to obey the command to love that curses us. It is relying on that and assuming you have earned eternal life and can demand it from God that is incorrect. If one does not try to love others they fall into the condemnation of the many passages that command our obediance to the law of love. Jesus said it was not the ones who call me Lord but the ones who do what I say.

I wasn't speaking of the command to love. I spoke of the Old Law, with all its rules and regulations. It is a righteous law, but we cannot follow it perfectly, which leaves us cursed for breaking it. But it wasn't meant for us to follow perfectly, because if it was we could save ourselves with it. The law shows us that trying to save ourselves only curses us, hence we need a savior.