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Why evolution should not be a religious issue

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Where's the other dollar?
QV please: 11

Now here's one for you:

Which is cheaper and why?

Take two scientists to see Planet of the Apes once; or one scientist twice?
 
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QV please: 11

Now here's one for you:

Which is cheaper and why?

Take two scientists to see Planet of the Apes once; or one scientist twice?
Nobody likes a show-off!
Wow, you guys had that posted a year and a half ago. Nice work. It's just the way it was worded, but I DO still get creeped out a little by the 'running penny'.

As far as your question about taking the scientists to the POTA movie, my answer is easy ......................
................................no.
Sorry. :tonguewink:
My Brain Hurts.
 
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As far as your question about taking the scientists to the POTA movie, my answer is easy ......................
................................no.
Sorry. :tonguewink:
My Brain Hurts.
LOL ... no problem.

The answer is:

It's cheaper to take two scientists once.

You'll only buy three tickets! ;)
 
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LOL ... no problem.

The answer is:

It's cheaper to take two scientists once.

You'll only buy three tickets! ;)
But what if the scientists were from the future, when the apes had evolved, and taken over? And one was an orangutan?
:help:
 
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For scientific debates one needs scientific evidence.



I have shown no double standards. And if you want to run away again that is fine with me. Don't complain when I point out that you run away from debates in the future is all that I ask. The problem is that your take is not reasonable. To be reasonable it has to be based upon reason and you have shown that not to be the case.

Also what relevant points have you made? I honestly cannot remember any.



Please, don't make false accusations. That is not a very Christian activity. If you have a valid claim support it. When you post nonsense don't complain when people point out that that is all you have.



Really? I have been far more sincere than you have been. But when your beliefs are just a house of cards I guess that you can't afford sincerity.

Still nothing to see here.
 
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Technically you can't have 100% certainty outside of mathematics, and sometimes not even then.

I'd a given a lower number of certainty but hard to gauge it when there is no standard outside of math either. Actually, it would be nearly impossible to create a standard outside of math.
 
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Oof! Yeah you're lightyears ahead of me. That's so interesting you have experience in both fields, what inspired the switch?
A confluence of reasons. I was a staff scientist, not faculty, so I didn't have job security. I wanted to move back to the East Coast of the US for family reasons, and there was little particle physics taking place locally here. More broadly, the action was clearly going to be moving to Europe soon, and progress in the field as a whole had slowed to a crawl. Meanwhile, genetics was about to boom -- it was the era of the human genome project, and computational/math/data people were being welcomed in. It was a great decision.
 
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Why? If there is no God, there is no Holy, or Holy Days, ...

If there's no Tyr, then there's no Tuesday
If there's no Wotan, then there's no Wednesday.
If there's no Thor, then there's no Thursday.
If there's no Frige, then there's no Friday.

there is ultimately no happy either,

A godless universe in no way implies the non-existence of the emotional states associated with happiness

so saying Happy Holidays as a non-believer is rather moronic.

Not as much as using the etymology of a word to associate it with archaic meanings that fell out of common use better than three centuries ago, in order to score points in an online debate.

That would just be ludicrous.

;)
 
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Still nothing to see here.


Plenty to see. Too bad that you do not have the ability to see it.

But then so far you have been all talk and no action. I would be glad to help you to understand the relatively simple concept of scientific evidence. If you could learn at least that you would be a better debater.
 
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...but you make the claim that there is no God..

Can you show me where he's made this claim?

Holding an atheist position is not the same as making the claim there is no God. I'm an atheist, and I don't make that claim. I've just failed to be convinced of the existence of the Abrahimic God, or any other god concept for that matter.

Similarly, holding an position in opposition to Biblical literalism is also not a claim there is no God. Otherwise all the Catholic priests that educated me made claims abut non-existence of God as well. I'm fairly sure they were believers.[/QUOTE]
 
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3 travellers went to a hotel ...
Desk clerk says 30 dollars for their room.
Each guest has $10 in ones...
They pay the $30 and go to room.
Clerk realizes he overcharged, room is $25.
Gives Bellhop 5 One Dollar Bills, says to take up to room and give it to guests.
Guests thank him for the honesty, each takes One Dollar back, they tell Bellboy to keep the other two bills as a tip.
Three nines are twenty-seven, and the two the Bellboy has makes twenty-nine.
Where's the other dollar?


What other dollar?
 
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Can you show me where he's made this claim?

Holding an atheist position is not the same as making the claim there is no God. I'm an atheist, and I don't make that claim. I've just failed to be convinced of the existence of the Abrahimic God, or any other god concept for that matter.

Similarly, holding an position in opposition to Biblical literalism is also not a claim there is no God. Otherwise all the Catholic priests that educated me made claims abut non-existence of God as well. I'm fairly sure they were believers.

I am not sure that he will let himself learn. He got mad when I pointed out the same error that you did and he went downhill from there.
 
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Plenty to see. Too bad that you do not have the ability to see it.

Still nothing here but untruthful taunts that get us nowhere.

Only discussing what you choose as fit for discussion is a bit one sided, and can only lead to a one sided, useless conclusion. So, it's not a matter of ability to see, it's a matter of only discussing what you want seen and avoiding the rest. No doubt that would be fine with you, but the results would be unrealistic/worthless.
 
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Still nothing here but untruthful taunts that get us nowhere.

Nope, I don't have to be untruthful, I am not a creationist.

Only discussing what you choose as fit for discussion is a bit one sided, and can only lead to a one sided, useless conclusion. So, it's not a matter of ability to see, it's a matter of only discussing what you want seen and avoiding the rest. No doubt that would be fine with you, but the results would be unrealistic/worthless.

If you want to discuss something that is fine with me. You only have to be able to support what you discuss. That means you need to find valid sources that support your claims.

Why are you here if you don't want to learn? You don't seem to know enough to support your beliefs.
 
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Again, fine. But don't spout off about what you think ID is, and when I point you're in the wrong direction, feign disgust that I'm not addressing what you personally believe about ID. This is typical creationist behavior - knock it off, it's rude.
What I personally believe about an ID is exactly as described by the people I quoted and which you accuse as being both cunning and insincere. You sarcastically question their sincerity and you presumptuously question mine. That is rude as well as typically atheistic behavior.
 
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Still nothing here but untruthful taunts that get us nowhere.

Only discussing what you choose as fit for discussion is a bit one sided, and can only lead to a one sided, useless conclusion. So, it's not a matter of ability to see, it's a matter of only discussing what you want seen and avoiding the rest. No doubt that would be fine with you, but the results would be unrealistic/worthless.
The subject is whether evolution should be ignored because it is irrelevant to a belief in a creator. That depends on whether theistic or atheistic evolution is being proposed. The concept taught in schools is totally atheistic. So naturally parents who teach their kids about an ID would be concerned.
 
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If you want to discuss something that is fine with me. You only have to be able to support what you discuss. That means you need to find valid sources that support your claims.

Why are you here if you don't want to learn? You don't seem to know enough to support your beliefs.

And you accuse me of not seeing? Amazing.
 
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The subject is whether evolution should be ignored because it is irrelevant to a belief in a creator. That depends on whether theistic or atheistic evolution is being proposed.

Yeah, but as subjects often go, this one has gone different directions throughout the thread.
 
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