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You made the earlier comment that two birds (sparrows and eagles) couldn't be of the same 'kind' because they were both mentioned in the Bible......ok, that seems to suggest that 'kinds' are creatures that ARE mentioned in the Bible...

Fine...can you tell me what 'kinds' emus, penguins and toucans belong to....
 
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biggles53 said:
Fine...can you tell me what 'kinds' emus, penguins and toucans belong to....
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Dunno, but I'll take a stab at it:

  • Emus = talk show host
  • Penguins = hockey
  • Toucans = cereal boxes
How'd I do?
 
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NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
NEW SPECIES ARE NOT FORMED BY TWO SPECIES INTERBREEDING.....!
 
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I am going with the definition of macro evoluton as provided by current universities, if you have another way of verifying macro evolution in an empiricle way, please proceed.
 
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PsychoSarah said:
Oh, what is this? A small number of female mules are fertile? I guess we learn something new every day.
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on vary rare occasions a fertile hybrid will produce, but again their offspring are infertile so it really is a fail on evolutions part. Thanks for the comment.
 
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Yeah, but are new species formed by two species interbreeding?
 
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gradyll said:
I am going with the definition of macro evoluton as provided by current universities, if you have another way of verifying macro evolution in an empiricle way, please proceed.
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There is no university that describes macroevolution as being the product of two separate species interbreeding to form a third...

Unless of course it was the University of Complete Bloody Idiots.........
 
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gradyll said:
I am going with the definition of macro evoluton as provided by current universities, if you have another way of verifying macro evolution in an empiricle way, please proceed.
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Macro evolution doesn't involve two already existing different species breeding together. The fact that quite a few species physically can does imply recent evolutionary splits though.

Anyways, seems kind of backwards, don't you think? After all, if those transitional species between humans and chimps were produced by humans mating with chimps, that doesn't really explain the origins of humans or chimps themselves.
 
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Backwards thinking is one of Grady's specialities......
 
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really what you are doing here is explaining something that doesn't exist. I, out of the goodness of my heart am giving a qualification or example for you to meet, just so you can see if your theory is valid. All you would have to do is provide something as rock solid evidence of a transitionary link, since you believe in common ancestry you believe that one animal tranitioned into another. This transition is what is silent from your studies and evidences. Provide one or 10 links, I don't care how many steps you provide. I don't care how many years it takes, but please provide proof of what you say. Macro evolution may not be between two different species, but eventually they transition across genra, whether (like i said) it takes 10 steps or 1. It doesn't matter, a transition has to have a proof of a link to both sides, when you take 10-100 steps it's impossible to prove common ancestry empiricly. This is the stuggle you have.
 
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biggles53 said:
Backwards thinking is one of Grady's specialities......
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this is another ad hominem fallacy. But anyway, the truth is that I am providing an example of macro evolution by stating two objects and one transition between. For simplicity only, what I didn't state is that you can have as many intermediaries as you wish, but document the common ancestry as it become important the more steps you take. Thats all, thanks for the comment.
 
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biggles53 said:
There is no university that describes macroevolution as being the product of two separate species interbreeding to form a third...

Unless of course it was the University of Complete Bloody Idiots.........
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see my last post, that was one example of many, but you document no examples so I don't feel bad. thanks for the comment.
 
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There are more than a dozen different species of transitional fossil, you have been shown many of them. You don't apparently care or recognize that they exist. Go to a museum, you might seem some in person. What exactly do I need more in that regard?
 
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PsychoSarah said:
There are more than a dozen different species of transitional fossil, you have been shown many of them. You don't apparently care or recognize that they exist. Go to a museum, you might seem some in person. What exactly do I need more in that regard?
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like I said they need to document common ancestry.
 
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gradyll said:
I am going with the definition of macro evoluton as provided by current universities, if you have another way of verifying macro evolution in an empiricle way, please proceed.
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So am I. Reproductive isolation means that they are no longer the same species, therefore, evolution from that point on is above the species level. That was demonstrated empirically with plants and flies (Drosophila). Microevolution (or evolution within species) is the type of evolution that involves populations, not species.

Here are the definitions you claim to follow:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IVADefinition.shtml

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_48

But feel free to take it back and change the definitions again to better suit your needs.
 
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PsychoSarah said:
The fossils are the document.
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Fossils obviously are not enough for him, you have to have a book saying that it is the case, and that book has to be faithfully followed by billions. Forget evidence.
 
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