Why Evolution is True (2)

createdtoworship · Aug 17, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
There is no need to prove the obvious.

What is an "untrue individual"? And evolution is not a philosophy so it cannot be true. Evolution is how life changes to adapt to different environments and pressures form other life itself. The theory of evolution explains how evolution happens. Neither is a philosphy.

And there is your problem. Social Darwinism is a misapplication of the theory of evolution. It is neither evolution nor is it the theory of evolution. Now you might call it a philosophy, but it is dubious that Darwin would have supported it.

Since you know why that material is faulty to this discussion there is no point in even looking at it.

And no, you only proved that Hitler was not your type of Christian. You did not even come close to proving that he was not a Christian.

social darwinism has historic roots in darwinism, hence it's name. So I am not sure what your point is here.

"Social Darwinists base their beliefs on theories of evolution developed by British naturalist Charles Darwin. "

from the University of Colorado at Boulder database

http://autocww.colorado.edu/~flc/E64ContentFiles/SociologyAndReform/SocialDarwinism.html

stanislaus state history professor agrees (STAN STATE CALIF)
http://www.csustan.edu/sites/defaul.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf

dad · Aug 17, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
There is no need to prove the obvious.

What is an "untrue individual"? And evolution is not a philosophy so it cannot be true. Evolution is how life changes to adapt to different environments and pressures form other life itself. The theory of evolution explains how evolution happens. Neither is a philosphy.

And there is your problem. Social Darwinism is a misapplication of the theory of evolution. It is neither evolution nor is it the theory of evolution. Now you might call it a philosophy, but it is dubious that Darwin would have supported it.

Since you know why that material is faulty to this discussion there is no point in even looking at it.

And no, you only proved that Hitler was not your type of Christian. You did not even come close to proving that he was not a Christian.

By his actions and fruit, he seems to have been another tree than a Christian one. This lesson I apply to any antiChrist government such as the present one in the US.

But we should remember here that you are a man who actually thinks he shares a parent with a potato!!! You believe, in other words that some parent or ancestor of the potato was also yours!!!

Why would I care what someone who thought worms having sex eventually produced mankind thought about who really had the creator inside their heart?

dad · Aug 17, 2014

gradyll said:
I belive in all the scriptures even the lordship salvation ones
. I believe god will not force salvation on anyone.

When we ask to get saved He gives us His gift of salvation. In no way is that forced. Like being born, a baby has life, it is not forced to have life all it's days.

if someone accepts christ but later wants nothing to do with him, I believe god will say " not my will, but thine be done." and in doing so gives them over to a reprobate mind as the bible states.

No, when Paul gave someone over to Satan so the body could be destroyed, that has zero to do with killing salvation. In the verse you allude to, it was speaking specially about a group of men he called 'they of the circumcision'. It may be true that some Jews were not saved and so still had their reprobate minds. That doesn't mean they would not be saved one day! Paul had a reprobate mind as well a long long time before getting saved. You may not take this to mean God would toss the saved to hell the moment they said or did the wrong thing.

I dont expect you to change your theology here. but I also dont expect to change my convictions of hebrews 6 which states "whose end it to be burned" as the result. the important thing is we agree hitler was not a christian but an evolutionist.

Again, you cannot pick out a verse that seems to indicate something, that opposes the rest of the bible. Hebrews talked about some people who were apparently close to believers. They had 'tasted' of God's Spirit and the heavenly things. If those folks betray God and become His enemies, then it would be impossible to have them regain their former place of service. Indeed, as I mentioned some God would have to remove from this life on earth. In NO way does that mean they were to be 'unsaved'!!!! God is not a liar, and He changes not, whether some of us do or not.

Lurkers, relax. If you get saved, you will always be saved! Jesus didn't die for nothing.
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Subduction Zone · Aug 17, 2014

dad said:
By his actions and fruit, he seems to have been another tree than a Christian one. This lesson I apply to any antiChrist government such as the present one in the US.

But we should remember here that you are a man who actually thinks he shares a parent with a potato!!! You believe, in other words that some parent or ancestor of the potato was also yours!!!

Why would I care what someone who thought worms having sex eventually produced mankind thought about who really had the creator inside their heart?

Once again you forget, I have scientific evidence for my claims. You have none for yours. You know, scientific evidence, the stuff that made such advances as computers possible. Say, since you disagree with scientific evidence so much isn't it just a little bit hypocritical to be using devices that are so dependent upon scientific evidence?

Usus Vox Tractus · Aug 17, 2014

dad said:
I know you and Buzz Lightyear claim to have gone to infinity and beyond. In your case...waaaay beyond!

How nice. So were there male and female, or was there too much 'oneness' for that?

Coincidence that New Jerusalem glows too? You wouldn't be borrowing a page from that book now would ya? Of course some folks find that a country town glows if they get enough of Granny's moonshine.
I see. So they have a purpose in your classification of books system. OK.

Sounds like you have given Dr Seus books a lot of thought.

Guess you are special. Did He make a special coming for that too..or did you fly off to some other Universe and do lunch?

Apparently some spirit got to you.

Not just service, but immaculate service. OK. How lovely.

Was this 'god' Jesus, who came and died and rose again on the third day?

Your performance is noted.

Tell you what, save the lovey dovey thing for someone else and just answer the question as to whether you believe Jesus is God and rose again from the dead, and is the only way, only truth and only light?

Reach out into the universe and see if you can grab a yes or no.

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Only because I love Him. You have in no way, shape or form even come close to meriting an answer. Pearls before a swine.

"Jesus" (God the Son) is the individuated image/being of the invisible infinite God whom none can approach. He conquered death before dying and taught others to do the same. He is the Way to the Father, the Truth of being an upright Man, and He is the Light of all beings.

But your ignorant flippancy and complete lack of integrity is shameful and obtuse. No more answers for you.

Paul of Eugene OR · Aug 17, 2014

gradyll said:
social darwinism has historic roots in darwinism, hence it's name. So I am not sure what your point is here.

"Social Darwinists base their beliefs on theories of evolution developed by British naturalist Charles Darwin. "

from the University of Colorado at Boulder database

Social Darwinism

Social Darwinism was not an idea of Darwin's. It appears to be very much akin to the extreme right wing advocacy of unregulated capitalism. Its a mystery why those who advocate extreme right wing unfettered capitalism are so often opposed to Darwin and his ideas.

Of course, the problem with survival of the fittest corporations is that it is the corporations that wind up surviving instead of people.

dad · Aug 18, 2014

Usus Vox Tractus said:
Only because I love Him. You have in no way, shape or form even come close to meriting an answer. Pearls before a swine.

Goodness. Too bad we can't find out who it is that you love. A yes or no would have been all it took. Now you have to go playing the nasty guru routine.

"Jesus" (God the Son) is the individuated image/being of the invisible infinite God whom none can approach. He conquered death before dying and taught others to do the same. He is the Way to the Father, the Truth of being an upright Man, and He is the Light of all beings.

He conquered death before dying?? Does that mean He rose from the dead too? He is the way to the Father..the only way? Or just one way?

But your ignorant flippancy and complete lack of integrity is shameful and obtuse. No more answers for you.

I never needed any from you, and the ones you did give are great for lurkers who may not have clued in. Cheerio.

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dad · Aug 18, 2014

dad · Aug 18, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Once again you forget, I have scientific evidence for my claims.

Easy to forget since you post none ever. Occasionally you spam post a few religious links and run off as if you did something special.

You have none for yours. You know, scientific evidence, the stuff that made such advances as computers possible.

Blathering nonsense. Name anything about the same state past methodology and belief system that advances anything in the real world!!

Say, since you disagree with scientific evidence so much isn't it just a little bit hypocritical to be using devices that are so dependent upon scientific evidence?

Try not to pretend you have some connection with science and the so called science beliefs and fables.

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Subduction Zone · Aug 18, 2014

dad said:
Easy to forget since you post none ever. Occasionally you spam post a few religious links and run off as if you did something special.

Blathering nonsense. Name anything about the same state past methodology and belief system that advances anything in the real world!!

Try not to pretend you have some connection with science and the so called science beliefs and fables.

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Actually I have. You, like most creationists do not know what evidence is. For example here is a link that lists many transitional species:List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is all evidence for evolution. It is not evidence for creation. It cannot be denied, that would only show that you do not know what evidence is.

Loudmouth · Aug 18, 2014

gradyll said:
social darwinism has historic roots in darwinism, hence it's name.

Then throwing people off of buildings is social newtonism.

Once again, you try to poison the well to avoid the clear evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

Loudmouth · Aug 18, 2014

gradyll said:
proving darwin is an evolutionist is on topic in an evolution forum. Is it not?

I believe proving that an untrue individual may have had sources in an untrue philosophy (of evolution).

So it is very much on topic of "is evolution true"

I showed several historians that agree:

Ian Kershaw, the foremost biographer of Hitler, and Richard Evans, a prominent scholar on the Nazi period, both admit that social Darwinism influenced Hitlers ideology.

this an more is documented here:

http://www.csustan.edu/sites/defaul.../Weikart/Darwinism-in-Nazi-Racial-Thought.pdf

and to this link again you replied no solid rebuttal at all.

Not to mention I have proven you wrong regarding Hitlers religion, and proven you wrong regarding origin of species as not in fact being on the banned list (as you have stated). What was on the banned list was primitive and not modern darwin books, as mentioned in the post above.

So your record is not necessarily the most accurate.

thanks for the comment.

If Hitler threw Jews off of tall buildings because Newton's Laws of Gravity demanded it, would that make him a Social Newtonist?

Or better yet, can you show us anywhere in the theory of evolution where it says that we should kill Jews?

dad · Aug 18, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Actually I have. You, like most creationists do not know what evidence is. For example here is a link that lists many transitional species:List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is all evidence for evolution. It is not evidence for creation. It cannot be denied, that would only show that you do not know what evidence is.

I looked at your link. It lists finds of fossils, and assigns dates and evolutionary theology to them, all based on nothing but belief. The hour is late to engage in such passe godless tripe.

dad · Aug 18, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Or better yet, can you show us anywhere in the theory of evolution where it says that we should kill Jews?

The author of the theory has been advocating killing babies and God's people since ever there was a man on the planet.

Loudmouth · Aug 18, 2014

dad said:
The author of the theory has been advocating killing babies and God's people since ever there was a man on the planet.

Where in the theory of evolution does it say that we should kill Jews?

Answer the question.

Subduction Zone · Aug 18, 2014

dad said:
I looked at your link. It lists finds of fossils, and assigns dates and evolutionary theology to them, all based on nothing but belief. The hour is late to engage in such passe godless tripe.

The fact is that it is evidence that supports the theory of evolution. Your denial of that fact is proof that you do not know what evidence is.

Subduction Zone · Aug 18, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Then throwing people off of buildings is social newtonism.

Once again, you try to poison the well to avoid the clear evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

I am going to be stealing that phrase in the future. Not exactly stealing, here is something in exchange. A phrase that I ran into that describes the posts of certain members here. For example when dad waxes about his different state past it is Deja Moo all over again. In other words you have seen that bovine end product before.

createdtoworship · Aug 18, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Then throwing people off of buildings is social newtonism.

Once again, you try to poison the well to avoid the clear evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

once again you refuse to address the university information I present.

Also social newtonism doesn't exist, so your analogy is blatantly false.

createdtoworship · Aug 18, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
I am going to be stealing that phrase in the future. Not exactly stealing, here is something in exchange. A phrase that I ran into that describes the posts of certain members here. For example when dad waxes about his different state past it is Deja Moo all over again. In other words you have seen that bovine end product before.

you can throw up that term in your box of created evolutionist terms. Like quote mine. It doesn't exist in any dictionary (accept wikipedia= which is public edited).

createdtoworship · Aug 18, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
I have to run right now, but Darwin's works were on the banned list in Nazi Germany, it is on this page:

When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939

Origin of the species, is not on the list, what is is primitive darwinism (monism)

from your link number 6# on the list of banned books

"6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H�ckel)."

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