You really should learn how to use quotes Calypsis, because that is all I got of your post when I used the quote button. I will however copy all your points across manually.
"Learn how"? I prefer doing it the fastest way. The way I post is not a subject here. But I don't intend to keep answering you because you are rejecting the truth every time it is laid before you. You are doing it deliberately even though it has been clear cut and very strong evidence.
Not sure what I am supposed to be avoiding here. I answered your claims further down my post.
No you didn't. You gave an opinion.
How is it avoiding the issue to point out how you highlighted one of the biggest problems for a global flood, the complete lack of global geological evidence?
You aren't telling the truth. Except for the evidence of local floods, volcanoes, etc. since the flood, most of the evidence is the result of the flood of Noah...every single bit. It is just that some of it is more clear than others, i.e. the examples I gave above. The fact that you reject what I posted doesn't change the truthfulness of it. Jesus Christ said the world was flooded during the days of Noah (Matt. 24:37-39). He told the truth. The evidence for that truthfulness is phenomenal. But you and those like you have been mentally conditioned to reject the truth.
Yet this formation is only found in the western USA.
Again, not true. My goodness, how poorly trained (and/or dishonest) the adherents to accidentalism are!
If you could point to the same formation extending across into Europe Africa or Asia, I am sure you would have.
Keep watching.
There were other similar features found in different places around the world, but they are unconnected to this one. They are sediments laid down at different times in different seas and uplifted and eroded separately. If the flood did cover the globe, what was there to stop the sediment bearing waters from washing around the entire planet and leaving a trail of sediment around the whole globe? The tides must have been fierce with no landmass to stop them. Yet the sediments all seem to have been bound in basins of shallow seas, and for some strange reason they give radiometric dates consistent with their different positions in the geological column rather than all dating back to one time which you should have if they were all laid down by the same flood. So the flood does not explain why the formations are limited geographically. Geology however does explain the formations and their geographic extent. It also explains how they could be eroded.
Again, you are not telling the truth and I think it is deliberate. We are not talking about a 'limited' area. I could have included Mexico and southern Canada as well. You don't know your geology nor your geography either one and you didn't pay attention to the photos I posted that were from Texas to the Dakotas to Utah and Arizona.
You do not need massive forces to move a grain of sediment.
But you need massive forces to move gigantic rock. Observe:
Do you see the rocks that are split off the plateau several hundred yards behind? Those rocks were at one time a part of the formation but some incredible pressure forced them to peel away from the escarpment in the background for several miles within view of the Arizona highway where I spotted them. Here is another one:
This is the same formation further down the highway. Notice that these pointed rocks are pushed up at about a 45 degree angle from the level stratum of the plateau. The landscape revealed this 'peeled' phenomenon for over two miles. I observed another one later the same day. It is clear that some great force split the formation and created the effect which has lasted until now. I suggest that that force is directly related to what Genesis 7:11 tells us about the 'fountains of the great deep broke up'. One thing for certain, no trivial force nor the slow and gradual erosion caused this.
How do you know what was laid down since the flood?
The rate of erosion compared to what we now observe tells us it didn't take millions of years. I would suggest you do some serious reading on the subject:
The Geologic Column
You claim the flood was global, claim all the missing sediment was carried away by the flood
without the slightest evidence,
Not only are you not telling the truth, you are very far from the truth of this matter. But then, I have only just begun.
and claim the material at the base of the plateaus was laid down since. Why should geology be limited to extrapolating back the amount you claim was laid down by the flood? Especially when you are asking geology to explain the missing sediment ni between the cliffs, not just the bit left at the bottom. Geology follows the evidence not some hybrid mixture of geological evidence and your claims about post flood erosion.
Well the bible says nothing about the flood being global and the geological evidence observed doesn't fit a global flood either.
You don't know scripture:
"And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and
all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Genesis 7:18-19
"And
every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark." Genesis 7:23
Jesus confirmed that this happened: "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not
until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matthew 24:37-39.
I have the bible and the wonderful world God created we are learning more and more about through science.
You need to read it. It tells you the truth, not skeptical scientists who deliberately fabricate 'facts' to prove their worthless theory. True science will agree with scripture for scripture is God's Word about the origin and purpose of the world. God did not lie nor was He obscure about what He said about the 6 day creation.
Hardly 'nothing'.
I don't believe your interpretation.
No, you don't believe scripture, period. At least not what Moses and Jesus taught about creation and the flood of Noah. You don't believe what Paul nor Peter said about it either. They both taught that creation and the flood were just as Moses penned it.
That is called not being entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Does that verse mean all the high hills on the whole planet were covered, or could
erets simply mean the land Noah lived in, not planet earth? In fact
erets is usually translated land not earth. Claiming this has to refer to the whole planet ignores how the word is actually used in the OT. And under the whole heaven
was used to mean from horizon to horizon, or as far as you can see in Deut 2:25 This day I will begin to put the dread and fear of you on the peoples who are under the whole heaven, who shall hear the report of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.' This was Moses whom you accuse me of not believing who said this. It was the Canaanites, Edomites and Moabites who trembled in fear at the approaching Israelites, not the Navajo living in caves in rock formation we have been looking at. Under the whole heaven didn't refer to the Navajo being terrified of the Israelites in Deut 2:25 nor is there any reason to think it meant their land being covered by a global flood in Gen 7:19.
You are the one who claimed that erosion material at the bottom of the cliffs could take place in the few thousand years since the flood. You need a much faster rate of erosion than geology. Try to deal with my answer rather than the yah boo you weren't there. You weren't their either. Your claim was geology could not deal with the missing sediment between the cliffs, not just the bits left at the base. And geology can deal with the missing sediment with a rate of erosion much lower than you need to explain the material left at the base.
Mocking? I was showing the glaring hole in your argument.
There is no 'glaring hole'. There is no 'hole' at all. The documented evidence I have supplied so far is solid and there isn't anything you can do about it. Not only so but the scriptures are plain enough.
And your claim about the erosion material at the bottom of Arizona cliffs all being deposited after the flood is your wild speculation.
Nope. It's perfectly logical. If you knew the erosion rates then you wouldn't be saying that. Go look up the website I posted above, please.
Do not mistake your opinions for God's word. The Bible teaches creation, not creationism.
Stop it. 'Creationism' IS the teaching of creation:
"For in six days the Lord God made the heavens and the earth." Exodus 20:11.
Now...quote scripture supporting evolution. I challenge you.
that is mix of human interpretation of the bible and bad science, it is not the word of God either.
You are not being honest.
Water and wind are. The same water and wind you think accounts for the eroded material at the bottom of the cliffs in a few thousand years.
You have shut down your mind. You aren't even trying to understand why 98% of the sediment is missing nor how such massive amounts of rock and dirt was transported to distant places. You aren't even attempting to be honest about the mighty force that it would have taken to move all that rock and sediment by the multiplied billions of cubic feet.
No one doubts you can lay you hand on vast reams of creationist claims. You do it all the time. But we are looking at this particular claim here, and in it your argument is based on a confused mixture of creationism and geology. Of course geology will not work if you mix the science with creationism, but what you need to show is that geology itself doesn't work. You should try to separate your creationism from the geology and see if you can show geology itself cannot account for the missing sediment.
When you stand before Almighty God and give an account for why you rejected the truth you will be reminded of what was said here.
