why everything was created?

[Extirpated Wildlife]

I wanted to find out if people agree that everything was specifically created to bring God glory. And of course, I went ahead and voted yes.

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." God's very work praises Him and brings Him glory. "
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[chaoschristian]

All of Creation glorifies God, regardless of how you view it, or what your opinion of the nature of origins is.

The problem for humans is seeing past our learned cultural biases and prejudices so that we can see the revealed glory in all aspects of Creation.

Skunk cabbage - glorious

Those little microscopic critters that are crawling on all parts of your body right now and variously biting, stabbing, scraping and sucking away at you - glorious

The prey, the predator, the hunt, the chase, the death - glorious

All the cute, fuzzy, cuddly things you have to think about now - glorious

When I stop to contemplate the mystery and majesty of Creation, I am absolutely awed, and humbled, and so, so thankful to be even the teeniest, tinyest part of it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

God's insistance on obtaining glory is one of the great mysteries. Glory also means: honour, dignity, reputation, riches, abundance, splendor, and glory (as in glorius, brilliant). Recovering all of these attributes to Himself is the single most important aspect of the restoration of all things, which is the restoration of his great spiritual Kingdom to the dignity and honour that it had before the rebellion of Lucifer.

So while many things don't appear too 'glorious' in themselves everything works toward the glory of God and His restored kingdom.

oldwiseguy

 

[DailyBlessings]

The universe proclaims God's glory, but that is not why He created it.

 

[gluadys]

You have fallen into the trap of assuming that "mythical" means "it doesn't matter".

What myth you believe in can matter a lot.

I would agree that all creation glorifies God, but I would suggest the reason for creation is God's love of creating.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You have fallen into the trap of assuming that "mythical" means "it doesn't matter".

What myth you believe in can matter a lot.

I would agree that all creation glorifies God, but I would suggest the reason for creation is God's love of creating.

The physical creation of GenOne is a living metaphor, and illustrates in ever repeating episodes the history of the rebellion, and the preview of the great restoration.

Even mythology cannot escape from this metaphor. The fable of the death of Icarus is clearly a metaphor of Lucifers fall. Interestingly the most recent major artistic depiction of the event is a bronze sculpture of Icarus falling headlong downward, with wings folded and intact.

A fuller reading of the story of Icarus, and most other mythical characters, reveals the same behaviors and treacherous intrigues that must have pervaded God's heavenly court before the actual rebellion.

The pattern of conspiracy, treachery, and betrayal is a consistant theme in most mythology, as well as in the actual lives of all people great and small, rich and poor, down through history.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[chaoschristian]

Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Are you suggesting that Creation is a graven image?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Are you suggesting that Creation is a graven image?

Not when acknowledged as G-d's creation....but when it becomes viewed as Nature, Natural Selection, Evolution, and Humanistic...then yes, it does become a graven image....it's placed higher than G-d, defended more stridently, and held more closely...

For evidence of this, read the threads in TE and here

 

[Dannager]

Not when acknowledged as G-d's creation....but when it becomes viewed as Nature, Natural Selection, Evolution, and Humanistic...then yes, it does become a graven image....it's placed higher than G-d, defended more stridently, and held more closely...

For evidence of this, read the threads in TE and here

Evolution is only defended because its validity is under attack from the ignorant. The threads in TE and this board are only evidence of the fact that there remain large numbers of uninformed individuals who continue to believe that their faith is counter to the observations made of the natural world.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Evolution is only defended because its validity is under attack from the ignorant. The threads in TE and this board are only evidence of the fact that there remain large numbers of uninformed individuals who continue to believe that their faith is counter to the observations made of the natural world.

And yet, I and millions of others look at the natural world and sit in wonder saying "How great is our G-d! How wondrous the works of His hands!"

Instead of wow! neato! that evolved from a microbe! Isn't nature wonderful! Isn't science so glaringly truthful!
Surely this is truth and knowledge!

 

[Dannager]

And yet, I and millions of others look at the natural world and sit in wonder saying "How great is our G-d! How wondrous the works of His hands!"

I say the same exact thing when I look at the world around me. What's your point?

Instead of wow! neato! that evolved from a microbe! Isn't nature wonderful! Isn't science so glaringly truthful!
Surely this is truth and knowledge!

I also say all these things. I think nature, God's creation, is wonderful. I think God's works are great. I think science is capable of uncovering truth. I think God and science work hand-in-hand to explore truth and knowledge. How, exactly, are the two in conflict in any way?

 

[Gwenyfur]

I say the same exact thing when I look at the world around me. What's your point?

I also say all these things. I think nature, God's creation, is wonderful. I think God's works are great. I think science is capable of uncovering truth. I think God and science work hand-in-hand to explore truth and knowledge. How, exactly, are the two in conflict in any way?

How can they walk hand in hand when science is continually denying the Creator? In what theory do you see that G-d created <fill in the blank> with the express purpose of <fill in blank>. You don't...science continually states This <filll in blank> evolved over millions of years in order to <fill in blank>. I've yet to see a scientific article or document praise G-d for His handiwork. (outside of creationists circles)

That's not working hand in hand...that's denying the Creator.

 

[Dannager]

How can they walk hand in hand when science is continually denying the Creator?

Science doesn't deny the creator. Science takes no standpoint on special creation either because special creation is not falsifiable and thus is not science. Science doesn't say it didn't happen - only that science will never be able to tell you that it did or didn't. Science is agnostic towards God.

In what theory do you see that G-d created <fill in the blank> with the express purpose of <fill in blank>.

There are no such theories, because science is agnostic towards God.

You don't...science continually states This <filll in blank> evolved over millions of years in order to <fill in blank>.

That's because that is exactly how it happened. Whether God caused it or not is irrelevant to science, because science is agnostic towards God.

I've yet to see a scientific article or document praise G-d for His handiwork. (outside of creationists circles)

That's because science is agnostic towards God. Creationists who accredit God for being the driving force behind any observed phenomena are not acting as scientists, because science is agnostic towards God.

That's not working hand in hand...that's denying the Creator.

It isn't denying the creator, because science is agnostic towards God.

 

[Gwenyfur]

...It isn't denying the creator, because science is agnostic towards God.

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And if you are not *for* G-d...you are????
If it (science) is not *for* G-d ... it is???

 

[Dannager]

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And if you are not *for* G-d...you are????
If it (science) is not *for* G-d ... it is???

Please rephrase those questions. They are difficult to understand as written.

 

[gluadys]

And yet, I and millions of others look at the natural world and sit in wonder saying "How great is our G-d! How wondrous the works of His hands!"

Instead of wow! neato! that evolved from a microbe! Isn't nature wonderful! Isn't science so glaringly truthful!
Surely this is truth and knowledge!

And I say:

Wow! Look at how that evolved from a microbe! Isn't God wise and wonderful to make nature so incredibly creative?

Almost all your posts suggest that evolution = atheism. It just ain't so.

 

[gluadys]

How can they walk hand in hand when science is continually denying the Creator?

Science does not deny the Creator. I am sorry that the blinders you wear do not permit you to see God's hand in the natural processes which science studies.


Just where do you see God? Only in the depths of human ignorance about nature?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Science does not deny the Creator. I am sorry that the blinders you wear do not permit you to see God's hand in the natural processes which science studies.


Just where do you see God? Only in the depths of human ignorance about nature?

Thanks for once again twisting my words, and adding to them. I see G-d's handiwork in everything around me...that doesn't mean I have to lay on the altar of science and deny that He was capable of creating the world just as the Bible says, complete, in 6 days.

 

[gluadys]

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And if you are not *for* G-d...you are????
If it (science) is not *for* G-d ... it is???

Science is a body of knowledge based on observations of the natural world. Do you suggest that God can be objectively observed as an artifact of nature?

It takes a person to be "for" or "against" God. A scientific paper deals with concrete phenomena which must be evident to and repeatable by other scientists no matter what their religious beliefs.

I think you would agree that God did not make a world that runs by different rules depending on whether one is a Christian, a Hindu or an Atheist. Did not Jesus himself remind us that God makes the sun shine on the evil as well as the good and gives rain to the wicked as to the righteous? So it follows that an atheist is just as capable of discovering a truth about nature as a Christian is.

A scientific paper is not an appropriate place to discuss one's personal beliefs. Nor should you ask science to be "for" God. You should ask scientists to be for God. And many scientists are.