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Why Don't You Blame God?

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Did God create everything? Did God create the biological and chemical reactions/balances that make us do and think the way we do? Could he have altered these balances/imbalances as to not cause us to have anger, greed, lust, etc?

I've always heard Christians argue atheists by saying "You're blaming God for something that is man's fault." Man is "broken" because of the chemistry of our brains. Certain people lack chemicals, while others have an abundance of them. This is what causes us to become angry, jealous, etc.

Why did he create us so imperfectly? I'd certainly blame him for this, and I find it ludicrous to apologize to God for sinning. God could have made me so that I never wanted to sin in the first place, and no that wouldn't make me a robot.
 
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Its not all about chemicals in our brains but choices people make which is free will.

The choices we make are a direct result of emotional stimuli in our brains.

Chemicals don't force people to be good or bad.

Correct, but they are the catalysts of our choices to be good or bad. Emotions can be and have been traced to be the result of the way chemicals react in our brains. For example, a person with a deficiency in serotonin is much more likely to be dissatisfied and unhappy with themselves. Because of their unhappiness they are in a worse mood, opening up the door for them to act callously. If God had created us all with high serotonin levels, we would be happier as a species and less likely to do unpleasant things. But this is not the case, and this one of MANY examples of the imperfections of our chemistry.
 
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I've been a Christian since 2000 and consider myself really close with God. But a few years ago some pretty traumatic things happened in my life. And even though I still believed in God, I realized (later) that I was unintentionally blaming Him for all the bad in my life. He is not the author of pain...

Positivity always wins. Just like in psychology, nothing good can come from a person blaming another person for their problems, theres nothing good that can come from blaming God, someone who has given you every good thing you have in your life, and life itself.

Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ
 
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Did God create everything? Did God create the biological and chemical reactions/balances that make us do and think the way we do? Could he have altered these balances/imbalances as to not cause us to have anger, greed, lust, etc?

I've always heard Christians argue atheists by saying "You're blaming God for something that is man's fault." Man is "broken" because of the chemistry of our brains. Certain people lack chemicals, while others have an abundance of them. This is what causes us to become angry, jealous, etc.

Why did he create us so imperfectly? I'd certainly blame him for this, and I find it ludicrous to apologize to God for sinning. God could have made me so that I never wanted to sin in the first place, and no that wouldn't make me a robot.
I am glad you are thinking about this.

God did not make us “perfect” like Christ is “perfect”, because God cannot “Make” something that has never been made.

The best God can do is make a being that is “very good” and that is the way man is described.

The “objective” is for man to be like God (that is also like Christ), but what God could not do is make a being that already had at its creation “Godly type Love”. If a being was created with love that would be instinctive or robotic type Love and nothing like God’s Love. God also cannot “force” this Love on beings for that would both not be Love and it would not be Loving on God’s part toward the individual.

Sin is not the problem and has an objective for the non-believer.

Not sinning is not the objective.

Everything can be understood from the objectives:

Man’s objective seems to be to obtain and grow this Godly type Love to fulfill the mission (statement) of Love God and secondly others with all our heart, soul, mind, and energy.

Our “objective” while here on earth is to just humbly accept God’s gift as it was given as pure charity.

God is not trying to get you to do something, but is trying to give you something.

That “something” is the most powerful force in all universes since it is the force that compels God to do all He does.

God’s Love compelled God to create beings that could Love like He Loves and did it for the sake of those few that would accept His Love.

The problem is not sin (unforgiven sin is a huge problem), because God will forgive our sins which helps us to Love (…he that is forgiven much will Love much….) God hates sin, but does allow it so we can more easily accept His Love (in the form of forgiveness the easiest way for us to accept His charity). The problem is not knowing that God exists, since a very small amount of faith is needed to help humans and knowledge of there being a God would only upset those that do not want the Christian God. The problem is our fulfilling our objective.

There are some things that God just cannot do like create a being that was never created and the one important to us is instinctively create us with Godly type Love since that would be robotic type Love. God will also not force his love on us since that would be unloving on God’s part (there has to be reasonable alternatives to make it a choice [the perceived pleasures of sin]). The easiest way for us to get this Love is through accepting it as a pure charitable gift. The problem being humans (due in part to the needed survival instinct) do not like accepting Charity from a Giver that paid a huge price for the gift.

The easiest way for humans to accept God’s charity (Love) is out of a huge need and that need is the relief from the burden of hurting others in the past (sin). By accepting God’s forgiveness we accept God’s Love (mercy/grace/charity) and thus we will Love much since Jesus has taught us (we also see this in our own lives) “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”

Once we accept Godly type Love, we can truly Love and have the privilege and honor of Loving God (the forgiver) and others (God’s children) with all our heart, soul, mind, and energy.


This Godly type Love is defined by Jesus’ words and deeds (you can also use 1 Cor 13 and 1 John 4).


Since God is “Love” and part of the definition of Godly type Love is unselfishness God is totally unselfish? If God is totally unselfish, He will do and allow all He can to help those that are just willing to accept His help fulfill their objective (Love). That “all” includes: Christ to go to the cross, satan to roam the earth, tragedies of all kind, hell, evil, and even sin.

Will we know people do not like to accept charity especially from a giver that paid a huge price? People will try to earn the gift, pay back the gift, be more deserving of the gift than the next person or just say they got the gift without having to accept it. The easiest way to accept the gift is through accepting God’s forgiveness (this is after you have sinned) since forgiveness is charity, grace, mercy Love. AND Jesus has taught us “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”

The problem is God wants us to be like He is (God’s Love is compelling Him to create beings that can Love like He Loves and made these beings for the sake of those that will accept His Love).

If we continue to refuse God’s Love and really do not want to Love unselfishly, where is there for us to go? Heaven is one huge Love feast so we would not be happy there and God wants us to be happy.
 
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Question.Everything said:
Did God create everything? Did God create the biological and chemical reactions/balances that make us do and think the way we do? Could he have altered these balances/imbalances as to not cause us to have anger, greed, lust, etc?

I've always heard Christians argue atheists by saying "You're blaming God for something that is man's fault." Man is "broken" because of the chemistry of our brains. Certain people lack chemicals, while others have an abundance of them. This is what causes us to become angry, jealous, etc.

Why did he create us so imperfectly? I'd certainly blame him for this, and I find it ludicrous to apologize to God for sinning. God could have made me so that I never wanted to sin in the first place, and no that wouldn't make me a robot.

Have you ever seen someone hurting someone else and all you can think is "why would they do that? Don't they understand what they're doing?".

That's what I believe our defects to be. They're things inside of us that have the potential to make us much better people if we let them. For instance having a condition that results in you being constantly made fun of could result in you becoming a more compassionate person, or a bitter person. What it ultimately does is up to us though.

We like to try and prove why we're all so messed up, but we rarely try to look at "Why didn't we try and make something better out of what we had?"
 
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The angels came into existence perfect. They were offered a choice to sin or not to sin. Those who chose sin and rebellion knew full well they would be judged for it. They started good, and chose to become bad.

Man is born sinful. We are offered a choice to remain in our sin or to be reconciled to God. Those who choose to remain in their sin and rebel know full well they will be judged for it. Men started bad, and are able to become good.

Why would I be mad at God for giving me a choice?
 
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Job 38


1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?
36Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
39Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
40When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait? 41Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
 
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If you say "no" to life you would logically blame God. If you say "yes" to life you would instead thank him. The later can be harder than it sounds when you don't have the full picture and see things only from your own limited egoic perspective. I say "no" and "hell no" more often than I care to admit.
 
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It does you no good at all to debate and argue against the morality of gravity.

There is no morality in physical laws. Gravity is not claimed to be loving. Gravity does not have emotions, intellect, or anything really...it's just there.

The only thing really to do is just to learn how gravity works and work around it.

Is there any purpose in believing in a God that acts like gravity? Gravity has no character and no intent. To argue further, gravity can at least be tested and observed, God can't. I'm not sure why you even think he exists in the first place.
 
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Did God create everything?
It depends on what you mean by "create." If you mean it in the same way that God has created the universe, earth, or man, I would have to say no, God did not create everything because not everything is of physical substance to be created as the universe or earth.

Did God create the biological and chemical reactions/balances that make us do and think the way we do? Could he have altered these balances/imbalances as to not cause us to have anger, greed, lust, etc?
God does not necessarily 'create' within us the emotions we feel, though it could be said that He could technically alter them.

I've always heard Christians argue atheists by saying "You're blaming God for something that is man's fault." Man is "broken" because of the chemistry of our brains. Certain people lack chemicals, while others have an abundance of them. This is what causes us to become angry, jealous, etc.
It's not just the chemicals in our brains that cause us to be angry or jealous. Something first must happen to "trigger" those chemicals.

Why did he create us so imperfectly? I'd certainly blame him for this, and I find it ludicrous to apologize to God for sinning. God could have made me so that I never wanted to sin in the first place, and no that wouldn't make me a robot.
God doesn't presently create humans in any similar way that He did with Adam and Eve. First man was created with all the essential elements to obey and follow God which is far from imperfect, and on that basis it is even farther from ludicrous to not blame man for his own actions. Why people try to shift the responsibility of their actions I will never figure out other than some selfish motive.

How is following one way of life that would have to be "pre - programmed" into one not be living like a robot again? That sounds an awful like a robot...
 
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God did not make us “perfect” like Christ is “perfect”, because God cannot “Make” something that has never been made.

How did God make the universe? How did God make the first human? How did God make the first life form?

The rest of your post is typical Christian rambling and does not answer my questions. Why did God not create us with better chemical balances that would make us all nicer, happier people? I don't mean to be crass, but I'm looking for answers to my questions, not Christian insight on our purpose here on earth.
 
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Have you ever seen someone hurting someone else and all you can think is "why would they do that? Don't they understand what they're doing?"

All the time.

That's what I believe our defects to be. They're things inside of us that have the potential to make us much better people if we let them. For instance having a condition that results in you being constantly made fun of could result in you becoming a more compassionate person, or a bitter person. What it ultimately does is up to us though.

We like to try and prove why we're all so messed up, but we rarely try to look at "Why didn't we try and make something better out of what we had?"

This has nothing to do with what I asked. I'm asking why God didn't create humans with better chemical balances, especially since he mentions that we are created in his (perfect) image.
 
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So the faithful Christian who loses their entire family in a freak car accident and is subsequently quadriplegic shouldn't blame god, be angry, or be depressed, but rather, 'let' the situation make him/her a 'better person'? Perhaps also thank god for the 'miracle' of at least saving his life? Nah, if I believed in an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god that 'runs the show' I'd have to cease that belief right there.

We will always be depressed, sad, angry, etc after bad things happen. Its what we make of it after the fact. This isn't restrictive to belief in God, even modern day psychologists will tell you to "get up and get out there".

You may be surprised some of the stories youd hear. There are plenty of stories of people who experience horrible tragedy that ends up using it to change the world, glorify God, and do any number of things.

One of the more well known ones is the columbine shooting. God did some wonderful things in that.
 
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The angels came into existence perfect. They were offered a choice to sin or not to sin. Those who chose sin and rebellion knew full well they would be judged for it. They started good, and chose to become bad.

Man is born sinful. We are offered a choice to remain in our sin or to be reconciled to God. Those who choose to remain in their sin and rebel know full well they will be judged for it. Men started bad, and are able to become good.

Why would I be mad at God for giving me a choice?

Your chemical makeup has absolutely nothing to do with free will. God could have made our adrenal glands smaller and our serotonin levels higher without it affecting free will one bit. We'd still be completely free to make choices, it's just we'd generally be more happy, less impulsive creatures. This would clearly lead to a better overall quality in the species.
 
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If you say "no" to life you would logically blame God. If you say "yes" to life you would instead thank him. The later can be harder than it sounds when you don't have the full picture and see things only from your own limited egoic perspective. I say "no" and "hell no" more often than I care to admit.

...sure.

Now can you explain why God didn't create humans with more perfect chemical balances (that are completely out of our control)?
 
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All the time.

This has nothing to do with what I asked. I'm asking why God didn't create humans with better chemical balances, especially since he mentions that we are created in his (perfect) image.

Why say there is anything wrong? What if its all of our differences that make us "perfect"? What if we all made the best of our flaws instead of using them as excuses?

There's a reason we do things as a group. Our differences in thinking makes us so much more than we are by ourselves.
 
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Genesis 50:20 - You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

I don't blame God because I know that He doesn't allow anything to happen to me that He doesn't intend for good. Even when people intend to harm me, God is using them for my benefit.

Romans 8:28 - And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
 
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It's not just the chemicals in our brains that cause us to be angry or jealous. Something first must happen to "trigger" those chemicals.

It's not about that. Sure, a very happy person with high serotonin levels CAN be angered by extreme cases. What matters here is frequency. For example: someone with very high serotonin levels are much less likely to be angered by small, trivial things like a waiter/waitress messing up their order. On the other hand, someone with serotonin deficiency is much more likely to flip out on this waiter/waitress precisely because of this chemical imbalance (that they can only control with drugs).

I'd certainly agree that even if God make us more chemically refined, we wouldn't be perfect. But we would be a lot better. We would kill much, much less. Basically we would be more like Jesus.

How is following one way of life that would have to be "pre - programmed" into one not be living like a robot again? That sounds an awful like a robot...

I'm not sure I follow...how exactly are we not pre-programmed now? We don't all have to have the exact same level of serotonin to be a better, more perfect species. Say that right now human serotonin levels can range from Level 0 to Level 10. Why not create us with serotonin levels of 5-15 instead? It's still not perfect, but it's much better than what we currently are required to deal with and would result in a lot less unpleasant things in the world.
 
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Why say there is anything wrong? What if its all of our differences that make us "perfect"? What if we all made the best of our flaws instead of using them as excuses?

There's a reason we do things as a group. Our differences in thinking makes us so much more than we are by ourselves.

lol, again this has nothing to do with my question. Are you saying mankind is perfect? That's beyond laughable.
 
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