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If only Pope Francis believed the same. But eh... I guess the Pope is saying that Adam and Eve came from apes?
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If only Pope Francis believed the same. But eh... I guess the Pope is saying that Adam and Eve came from apes?To call God a magician is to belittle Him who did speak the creation into existence. Ex nihilo--from nothing: impossible by any means or through any agency but God.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit; by whom all that has been created, was created. God is perfect, needing no one, and apart from Him, no one, not one is Holy.
If only Pope Francis believed the same. But eh... I guess the Pope is saying that Adam and Eve came from apes?
To *us* they are unchallengeable and unchangeable. I never said I was talking about YOUR opinion.Yes, those 2 things are. But other things Catholics claim are dogma, such as Mary being sinless and ascending to Heaven, are not.
You're incredible, Albion-- you're not pleased even when we agree.There no doubt are some dogmas that the Catholic Church has not changed. Yeh, we can probably agree to that.
What does someone's "opinion" have to do with dogma that has no biblical support?To *us* they are unchallengeable and unchangeable. I never said I was talking about YOUR opinion.
The CC and the Pope do not say that Genesis 1 is wrong. A Myth is not a lie, it is a teaching story. Similarly, the fact that there was never a historical Good Samaritan doesn't make the parable "wrong" or a "lie." A parable is not supposed to be a true story. It is read for the message of truth it is teaching. The same with Genesis 1. God creates and it is good.If the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope said the bible was wrong, specifically Genesis 1, and said that God is not a "magician who could simply wave a wand and create everything from nothing", what would you think?
So is the creation of Adam and Eve also a "myth"? Because if what the Pope says is true, they came from apes and not from the earth.The CC and the Pope do not say that Genesis 1 is wrong. A Myth is not a lie, it is a teaching story. Similarly, the fact that there was never a historical Good Samaritan doesn't make the parable "wrong" or a "lie." A parable is not supposed to be a true story. It is read for the message of truth it is teaching. The same with Genesis 1. God creates and it is good.
You either didn't read my post, or you had no comprehension of what I wrote at all, or you would not have written what you wrote.I find it rather surprising that's it's almost passed off as a coincidence that Jesus tells us to call no one on earth your father for you only have one Father who is in Heaven, and yet Catholics go out of their way to refer to someone (a priest) as Father when they address him. They do it with ANY priest, not just one they see as a "father figure".
This one is a no brainer. The Pope here simply claims to be the VICAR of Christ. It's like the Prime Minister of the King -- the one who rules in his stead while he is away. See those three dots before "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." ? Those stand for missing words, the words necessary to give context to what is being said. Without those words, you have no case."I alone…am the successor of the apostles, the vicar of Jesus Christ..I am the way, the truth, and the life…" (Source: History of the Christian Church, by Henry Charles Sheldon, p. 59.)
Now, let's be candid, O.H.You're incredible, Albion-- you're not pleased even when we agree.
And about the other two quotes? Because those popes are not claiming to be "the prime minister" of God. THEY ARE FLAT OUT SAYING THEY ARE GOD! GOD AND THE POPE ARE THE SAME AND THE POPE IS JESUS CHRIST IN A VAIL OF FLESH!This one is a no brainer. The Pope here simply claims to be the VICAR of Christ. It's like the Prime Minister of the King -- the one who rules in his stead while he is away. See those three dots before "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." ? Those stand for missing words, the words necessary to give context to what is being said. Without those words, you have no case.
“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)
I'm dealing with each quote in a separate post. Please be patient, thanks.And about the other two quotes?
And about the other two quotes? Because those popes are not claiming to be "the prime minister" of God. THEY ARE FLAT OUT SAYING THEY ARE GOD! GOD AND THE POPE ARE THE SAME AND THE POPE IS JESUS CHRIST IN A VAIL OF FLESH!
Here is the source.There are problems with this quote.
1. The author hides behind a veil of obscurity, giving only his last name, so that he can’t be identified.
2. This quote is attributed to Pope Pius V by "Bertanous" aka Pietro Bertano. The problem is that Pius V became pope in January 7, 1566—that’s about eight years after Piero Bertano died. How could someone who is not then a pope make a statement about the papacy?
In other words, we think this quote is a fraud.
Frs. Leslie Rumble and Charles M. Carty already answered this question in volume 2 of their Radio Replies (which were actually transcripts of a 1930's radio program hosted by them):"The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh, and who by means of a being common to humanity continues His ministry amongst men ... Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ Who is speaking.
Since when have Catholics ever been Protestant? Why do you assume we hold to YOUR standards? We are not sola scriptura like you. We accept both the authority of the scripture AND the authority of the church. The bible says it is the CHURCH which is the pillar and foundation of truth. 1 Tim 3:15 The Bible NEVER says that ONLY Scripture is the authority for dogma, so you are applying your own manmade tradition to us and we are not interested.What does someone's "opinion" have to do with dogma that has no biblical support?
Where is the supporting evidence for the ascension of Mary?
Sola scriptura is not the point! Where is the source that supports the belief that Mary ascended into heaven rather dying a normal human death?Since when have Catholics ever been Protestant? Why do you assume we hold to YOUR standards? We are not sola scriptura like you. We accept both the authority of the scripture AND the authority of the church. The bible says it is the CHURCH which is the pillar and foundation of truth. 1 Tim 3:15 The Bible NEVER says that ONLY Scripture is the authority for dogma, so you are applying your own manmade tradition to us and we are not interested.
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