Why don't protestants bless Mary?

Thinking-Out-Loud said:

I certainly dont argue against the fact that God made her by Jesus Christ and that God sent His Son made of a woman made under the law, by which fact she is made mother of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.

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Fantastic
Just remember the title is about the son not the mother and it should help a lot of people here

Mother of Jesus the Lord is perfect, as he is the Son of the most high God who come out from God.

Actually, all my life she was magnified to me to the point I couldnt see Jesus Christ, so he (to me through that experience) was as second to her and God was off somewhere in left field, someone could say its about Jesus Christ but I really wasnt seeing Jesus at all, she was being made to be put in the way. So I do have a slight beef with wording, but I prefer the words of God and how they are written over mans ways of putting things.

No worries I can tell you are really not a fan of Catholicism.
All I can say is just remember my view and others can be different to perhaps a cultural setting you may of been in and that worship for Catholics is different perhaps to what most Protestants contemplate as worship , it revolves around the sacrifice of the Mass in/with/through the son to the the father(putting us at the foot of the cross) All Catholics know that is worship and are a little perplexed about being accused of worshipping Mary. We have a clear understanding of what we consider worship that is pretty clearly different to most Protestants.
And it makes sense in part given most Protestants don't consisted the Eucharist a participation in the sacrifice, so they have a different expression of what worship is

Panevino said:

I know what your trying to say but disagree
See isa7:14
God with us

Title does not deny this
Properly understood that is

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Can you understand that Jesus Christ the Man, is who Mary gave birth to?

As a Man, he was a little lower than the angels.

His Spirit is God.

Mary didn't give birth to the Spirit of the Lord, but the flesh that the Word became.

Jesus was the Son of God before He became flesh.

His died as a Man, His Spirit did not.


Mary did not give birth to God.

Mary is not the Mother of God.



JLB

JLB777 said:

Can you understand that Jesus Christ the Man, is who Mary gave birth to?

As a Man, he was a little lower than the angels.

His Spirit is God.

Mary didn't give birth to the Spirit of the Lord, but the flesh that the Word became.

Jesus was the Son of God before He became flesh.

His died as a Man, His Spirit did not.


Mary did not give birth to God.

Mary is not the Mother of God.



JLB

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Your arguing against something that is not claimed. And I think at the same time getting close to non Christian explanations about the divinity of Jesus

Thinking-Out-Loud said:

Mother of Jesus the Lord is perfect, as he is the Son of the most high God who come out from God...

... but I prefer the words of God and how they are written over mans ways of putting things.

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I assume you believe God the Son is eternal per
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.

Panevino said:

Your arguing against something that is not claimed. And I think at the same time getting close to non Christian explanations about the divinity of Jesus

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Jesus is God Manifested in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

Mary is not the mother of God.


I hope this is clear enough.



JLB

Oh my goodness, I must have missed that one!

Where have you been all my christian life?

Yes, Mary is the mother of Jesus according to the flesh, at which point could do nothing of himself

JLB777 said:

Jesus is God Manifested in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

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great

Mary is not the mother of God.

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From the conception of Jesus she actually was, not prior, God "manifested in the flesh" was in her womb. She did not create the eternal trinity.
That is the sense that we call her mother of God.

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Thinking-Out-Loud said:

Yes, Mary is the mother of Jesus according to the flesh, at which point could do nothing of himself

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Love the sarcasm you throw out.
Do you believe in the hypostatic Union?

One confession seems centered around Mary "mother of" God, versus the confession that Jesus is the Christ "the Son of" God. Even anti Christ spirit seems to bypass Jesus is the Christ "the Son of" God, even as the weight of the acknowledgement is upon Jesus Christ came out from God by whom we come to the Father.

Panevino said:

Love the sarcasm you throw out.
Do you believe in the hypostatic Union?

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Wouldnt you like to know

Panevino said:

great
From the conception of Jesus she actually was, not prior, God "manifested in the flesh" was in her womb. She did not create the eternal trinity.
That is the sense that we call her mother of God.

JLB

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Can you show a scripture that refers to Mary as the mother of God?


Here is what Jesus said about the matter of Mary being blessed.

27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Luke 11:27-28


Mary was blessed.

However, more-so are those who hear the word of God and keep it.


JLB

I'll leave it, you guys seem a bit angry

Thinking-Out-Loud said:

Exactly, its Mary is that woman in Revelation but as you know (even as I have been on posts with them with you) the whole no pain ordeal, so which is it? Scripture or the Big T tradition again?
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First of all, how do you know that the book of Revelation and the other N.T. books are the Word of God, except by the Tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15) of the historic Church (the Catholic Church) founded by Jesus Christ, which holds that Jesus is God, and that Mary is thus the Mother of God?

Secondly, is the book of Revelation merely literal or profoundly allegorical? Is it possible that the birth pains of the Woman in Revelation 12 are the imcomparable pains of our Mother, Mary, as a sword pierces her merciful heart because of our sins against Her Son (Luke 2:34, Luke 2:35)?

JLB777 said:

Can you show a scripture that refers to Mary as the mother of God?


Here is what Jesus said about the matter of Mary being blessed.

27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Luke 11:27-28


Mary was blessed.

However, more-so are those who hear the word of God and keep it.


JLB

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The Bible says that Mary conceived Jesus and is "the Mother of Jesus".

Do you believe that Jesus is God?

Nobody heard and kept the word of God better than our sweet mother Mary, the Mother of God.

JLB777 said:

No it's not.

But it's blasphemy and idolatry to think that Mary is the mother of God.

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Where does the Bible say that? Since Jesus is God, how can Mary--"the mother of Jesus"--not be the Mother of God?

patricius79 said:

First of all, how do you know that the book of Revelation and the other N.T. books are the Word of God, except by the Tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15) of the historic Church (the Catholic Church) founded by Jesus Christ, which holds that Jesus is God, and that Mary is thus the Mother of God?

Secondly, is the book of Revelation merely literal or profoundly allegorical? Is it possible that the birth pains of the Woman in Revelation 12 are the imcomparable pains of our Mother, Mary, as a sword pierces her merciful heart because of our sins against Her Son (Luke 2:34, Luke 2:35)?

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I'm not interested in running around the same Catholic circular logic.

An example of a tradition they were taught was that if a man work not, neither shall he eat since he even writes (in that epistle) that when he was with them (in person) what exactly he commanded them (as is acknowledged in that very same letter) it shows he spoke the same things, whether by a word spoken in person or whether that espitle. When he was with them he told them the very same things, and there is two examples of this in 2 Thes, and so whether by what he told them when he was with them (according to that commandment delievered unto them) or that same epistle (where he acknowledged that was a tradition they received) whichever, they spake the same. 2Thes 2:15 according to what he had written in that espistle and 2 Thes 3:10 followed by 2 Thes 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

Paul said the mystery of the man and the woman was of Christ and the Church

Jesus even calls his disciples my mother when asked who his mother was, and compares them to a woman likewise.

John 16:21-22 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

A little while they would not see him and yet in a little while they would see him, its bout Christ in you (Christ in his church) the two becoming one flesh from the beginning is shown by Paul to be speaking of Christ and the church.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly***. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Paul even acknowledged the allegory found in Abraham in respects to the two women who represent the two covenants, which makes sense seeing Abraham was a prophet because it says also,

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Which things they too spake seeing Jesus spoken in parables and the Holy Ghost teaches by comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.

Keeping to the thread though, if Mary (like anyone) come to my door I would say God bless you. I dont chant another's greeting to her as is written in scripture, that just seems weird.

Thinking-Out-Loud said:

I'm not interested in running around the same Catholic circular logic.

An example of a tradition they were taught was that if a man work not, neither shall he eat since he even writes (in that epistle) that when he was with them (in person) what exactly he commanded them (as is acknowledged in that very same letter) it shows he spoke the same things, whether by a word spoken in person or whether that espitle. When he was with them he told them the very same things, and there is two examples of this in 2 Thes, and so whether by what he told them when he was with them (according to that commandment delievered unto them) or that same epistle (where he acknowledged that was a tradition they received) whichever, they spake the same. 2Thes 2:15 according to what he had written in that espistle and 2 Thes 3:10 followed by 2 Thes 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
se it says also,
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Do you agree with Paul that we should hold fast to the traditions, just as they were handed on, whether orally or by letter?

How do we know which books are in the Bible, except by the oral Tradition of the historic Church (the Catholic Church), which teaches that our sweet mother Mary is the New Eve, the Ark of the Covenant, the Immaculate and Ever-Virgin Mother of God?