Why don't protestants bless Mary?

Meowzltov · Dec 11, 2015

Thinking-Out-Loud said:
God would know if it were in ignorance

Oh puhleeze. Mary was named Queen of heaven because of her depiction in Revelation 12. No other reason.

Aldebaran · Dec 11, 2015

Open Heart said:
Oh puhleeze. Mary was named Queen of heaven because of her depiction in Revelation 12. No other reason.

Now Mary is the Queen of Heaven? Does she rule next to God the Father? If that's the case, it's strange that none of the apostles wrote a thing in their letters about anything except how Christ died for our sins.

Meowzltov · Dec 11, 2015

Aldebaran said:
Maybe not. But by praying to her, you're elevating her beyond being a mortal human. Doing so is idolizing her. We are not to be doing that.
I might also point out that Mary didn't even do anything to become pregnant.

We ask all the saints in heaven to pray for us. I ask YOU to pray for me. No, you are mistaken, she is quite a human being.

In order to get pregnant, Mary had to say YES to God. It was that great YES that makes her so pivotal.

Meowzltov · Dec 11, 2015

Aldebaran said:
Now Mary is the Queen of Heaven? Does she rule next to God the Father? If that's the case, it's strange that none of the apostles wrote a thing in their letters about anything except how Christ died for our sins.

She is the Queen Mother, like Bathsheba was Solomon's Queen Mother. A Queen Mother is honored, and has the King's ear, but doesn't rule.

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

Open Heart said:
Oh puhleeze. Mary was named Queen of heaven because of her depiction in Revelation 12. No other reason.

Its another doctrine, another name, its idolatrous, and shes fleeing into the wilderness a few verses later.

Oh PUHLEEZE back at cha

Aldebaran · Dec 11, 2015

Open Heart said:
She is the Queen Mother, like Bathsheba was Solomon's Queen Mother. A Queen Mother is honored, and has the King's ear, but doesn't rule.

It sounds like you're just making up things as you go along. That's how Mary-worship got started--like so many other "religious practices". They're man-made ideas that people shoe-horn into Christianity and they let those things take precedence over what God's word actually tells us.

patricius79 · Dec 11, 2015

Aldebaran said:
Now Mary is the Queen of Heaven? Does she rule next to God the Father? If that's the case, it's strange that none of the apostles wrote a thing in their letters about anything except how Christ died for our sins.

Is it strange that from the Book of Genesis to the book of Revelation, there is not a single mention of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, or the Canon, or any of the Protestant oral traditions?

Scripture does say that Mary conceived God, and does show her crowned, in heaven.

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

Aldebaran said:
It sounds like you're just making up things as you go along. That's how Mary-worship got started--like so many other "religious practices". They're man-made ideas that people shoe-horn into Christianity and they let those things take precedence over what God's word actually tells us.

Its Mary worship.

There is a difference, in how Solomon greeted his mother and how Jesus did. Whereas when Bathsheba went to in speak to Solomon, he stood up and bowed down to her. Jesus on the other hand didn't do that when someone notified him that his mother and brethren stood without.

Not only that but Solomon had brought in for the Kings mother a throne and sat down at his right hand, whereas Christ on the other hand said to sit at my right hand or left is not His to give but for whom it is prepared. Showing more so what is found in Joseph His mother and brethren bowing and making obedience to Him (not the other way around)

1 Kings 2:19 When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up tomeet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king's mother,and she sat down at his right hand.

Whereas one greater then Solomon was here

Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiringto speak with him.

Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

He didn't stand up to meet her or bow down to her or bring in a throne at his right hand

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Granting who sits at his right hand and left wasnt his to give He says

Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.

They didnt know what they were asking, he replies...

Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.

In Joseph it shows his mother and brethren bowing to him even as in Jesus Christ every knee shall bow to him, not the other way around. At least that's not shown in Christ with Mary as it is with Solomon and Bathsheba. Or the pulling up a throne to his right hand (as shown in Solomon) where Christ said to grant that seat is not His to give.

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

I dont see Mary's immaculate footsies here

Paul says the mystery is of Christ and the church as a whole, and God bruising Satan is under your feet (shortly) not under Mary's feet (years earlier).

patricius79 · Dec 11, 2015

Thinking-Out-Loud said:
Its Mary worship.

There is a difference, in how Solomon greeted his mother and how Jesus did. Whereas when Bathsheba went to in speak to Solomon, he stood up and bowed down to her. Jesus on the other hand didn't do that when someone notified him that his mother and brethren stood without.

Are you saying that God honored His Mother less than Solomon honored his?

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

I pointed out the obvious

Meowzltov · Dec 11, 2015

Aldebaran said:
It sounds like you're just making up things as you go along. That's how Mary-worship got started--like so many other "religious practices". They're man-made ideas that people shoe-horn into Christianity and they let those things take precedence over what God's word actually tells us.

I'm not making this up. I'm reporting Church history. There are many paintings of Mary as she is depicted in Revelation 12. Here is just one:

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

Graven art and mans device, heres a picture of her fleeing out into the wilderness after such a depiction

patricius79 · Dec 11, 2015

Thinking-Out-Loud said:
I pointed out the obvious

Do you believe that God honored His Mother less than Solomon honored his?

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

Solomon didnt create the womb that he come through, Jesus did, not only is He greater then the flesh He become and the one He was made of He was always far greater then Solomon and the honor is displaced among certain idolatrous churches who make Jesus Christ less so then both.

Who worship the creature more then the creator (not interested)

patricius79 · Dec 11, 2015

Thinking-Out-Loud said:
Solomon didnt create the womb that he come through, Jesus did, not only is He greater then the flesh He become and the one He was made of He was always far greater then Solomon and the honor is displaced among certain idolatrous churches who make Jesus Christ less so then both.

Who worship the creature more then the creator (not interested)

Mary conceived God in her womb, which God created, yes.

Do you believe that God honored His Mother less than Solomon honored his?

Panevino · Dec 11, 2015

Thinking-Out-Loud said:
Graven art and mans device, heres a picture of her fleeing out into the wilderness after such a depiction

Matthew 2:7-8

Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

Matthew 2:13

And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Meowzltov · Dec 11, 2015

Thinking-Out-Loud said:
Graven art and mans device, heres a picture of her fleeing out into the wilderness after such a depiction

Not that I have anything against inspirational sculptures (it's not an idol unless it's worshiped as a deity) but this was a painted picture -- it doesn't qualify as a graven image.

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

Man's doodles dont prove anything

Fireinfolding · Dec 11, 2015

Panevino said:
Matthew 2:7-8

Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

Matthew 2:13

And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Her child was caught up to God and his throne and she fled into the wilderness, that doesnt fit either

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