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Why don't protestants bless Mary?

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Yes they are, to bring their judgement, rather than blessings

You must have a modern translation of the Bible that I lack. You probably have this between the lines of the text. However, to be quite clear, this is the verse you posted -
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

I think you probably are reading the following into it -

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and (deliver those holy saints who are praying to us and thus) avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?


 
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Yes they are, to bring their judgement, rather than blessings
Well, no.

If we read that passage carefully, we do not find anything that says that they are praying for anyone in particular on Earth, answering that person's prayers, or interceding with God on his behalf.
 
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I was responding to a query about why would someone pray in heaven?
The martyrs do in that example regarding people on earth.

Really? Which version of the version do you believe to be accurate - the one you actually quoted or the one in which you have inserted this additional thought?

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and (deliver those holy saints who are praying to us and thus) avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
 
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They are in heaven praying to God about people on earth.
I'm not suggesting anything more in this case
 
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They are in heaven praying to God about people on earth.
I'm not suggesting anything more in this case

You might make your argument, but you do so without the scriptural support you claim for it. As such, your argument has no basis whatsoever in scripture.
 
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They are in heaven praying to God about people on earth.
I'm not suggesting anything more in this case
They are "praying...about people on earth" is quite a bit different from the claim that saints hear our individual petitions and intercede with God on behalf of the petitioner, though, I hope you'd agree.
 
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Wait what?
What are the martyrs praying about to God? Is it people on earth or not?
I'll say it again, then.

We have reason to believe that the saints pray to God for mankind. They know that there are billions of people on earth and that we mortals are in need of God's love and help.

However, we cannot assume, in the absence of any Scriptural support, that they hear the petitions of individual Christians directed to them or that they intercede with the Father as requested by such individuals. That's why "praying to the dead/saints/martyrs/etc" is both wrong and useless.
 
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I apologize for taking this thread on this tangent of soul-sleep. If you would like to discuss this further I recommend that you start a new thread in General Theology.
This is right on topic "Why don't protestants bless Mary?". This is directly related, it's part of the answer, we don't bless Mary or ask her to be blessed because she is dead and that brings up the topic, what is death.
She was blessed, she was a most blessed woman, I do not deny that.

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I'm sorry, this isn't what you meant. Thanks for suggesting starting a new thread but I posted all the verses, and said all I can. I also seen your point of view. Soul sleep isn't a salvation issue, so I'm going to leave it as is, I don't want to cause strife with you over a non-salvation issue. This whole thing with Marry, can be a salvation issue, and if the catholics who pray (or whatever they want to call it) to Mary understood that there is no way she could hear them, it could make them re-think the matter and maybe turn to God. That is why I brought it up.
 
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You can quote any prayer you like. Any properly catechized Catholic knows that Mary can do nothing on her own. The only thing she can do is pray and ask that God do it.
Not according to the prayers quoted (and many more similar prayers could be quoted). For Catholics who pray to her, she is Divine. And therein lies a very serious problem.
 
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I just don't think there is anything wrong with the veneration of the saints, especially the Mother of our Lord. It is absurd to say there is nothing left for God -- there is worship left for God.

We Catholics are NOT sola scriptura. The church has the authority to guide us in our understanding of things. The church is the pillar and foundation of truth per 1 tim 3:15.
 
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What if the church starts telling you that things the bible tells us are sins are no longer sins? Which do we believe? As for me, I don't want to stand before God having to explain that I disobeyed what He said in His word because the church's opinion was of more importance to me.
 
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So you don't agree with the Bible, God's word.
Did I say that? No, you pulled it out of nowhere.

The overwhelming majority of the Christian world does not believe in soul sleep, and we disagree for a reason--the Bible teaches heaven and hell. I'm not going to go into it with you, because it is clear you are set in your own mind, and I don't consider it a big deal.
 
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That's not in God's word, God's word says "the dead in Christ shall rise first" 1 Thessalonians 4:16
My mother died when I was born, so you are saying God abandoned her because she died? That is foolish.
Was your mother a nonbeliever when she died? If so, God didn't abandon her. It works the other way around. I'm going to give you the same advice I gave the other poster. You really need to hit the 'click to expand' tab and read the scriptures I posted.
 
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If you know the scriptures, then you know that our God is the God of the living and not the dead. Christ defeated sin and death. Those who die in Christ are alive. They're not dead. If you're claiming the saints are dead, then you're calling God a liar.
 
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OK, so Mary is blessed.

So is Abraham, and all of us who believe in Christ Jesus for salvation.

So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
Abraham was not blessed among all generations.

28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Of course, our blessing means we walk in the way of God. The only greater blessing than this is to obtain heaven. But Mary has THIS blessing PLUS her unique blessing for having said YES to God and thus directly helping to have brought salvation into the world. For that, we honor her in a way that no other believer is honored.
 
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