The philosophy of science would rule out God, but Logic is taking what we know or assume (evidence) and figure out something we do not know and that could be an intelligent designer.The problem that, again, you and a great deal of many other theists use "logical" to mean something that seems intuitive and "feels right" rather than something that actually follows the principles of logical deduction. If we were to actually follow logic, an intelligent designer is in fact completely illogical as you would need to abandon logical principles altogether in order to come to such a conclusion. In your case, "logical" is apparently nothing more than a synonym for "belief".
Also, there are plenty of other arguments that non-theists have. Regarding Christianity alone, I've listed numerous examples of narrative, scientific, and logical inconsistencies of the Bible in this thread. God's morals, too, leave much to be desired. And even if the question that I bring up in this thread is the only one, it's also one that has yet to be satisfactorily answered.
It has been a while since I studied philosophy, so how is an intelligent designer completely illogical?
Suppose the first moon astronauts had found a nice big Bible on the moon, would it be logical to assume that God most likely put it there?
The argument is about the Christian Gods existence and not the Bible.
I have told you the reason for God not reveling Himself and that is mans need for faith.
Science has been looking at heavily the concept life just developing to fit the environment, but the more they learn about the needed component to the simplest form of life, the more they realize how delicate it is. Forty years ago people were suggesting there could be non organic life and/or at least non DNA life, but we pretty much thrown that out and are trying to figure out how organic DNA type life could ever get started.No, but it's a fitting analogy. How are you so sure that the universe was designed for life instead of life developing in such a way as to adapt to the universe?
All the evidence we have points towards life adapting itself to its environment. On the other hand, we have zero evidence that the universe was designed with life in mind. This should be fairly obvious, like how one does not assume that a cavity adapts itself to the shape of the water in a puddle, but yet, as I've previously mentioned, theists who are usually quite sensible otherwise tend to throw logic out of the window completely when it comes to matters of religion.
Not being concerned about God is living like there is no God.That's incorrect. I simply don't concern myself with God, in pretty much the same way you don't concern yourself about purple winged unicorns on Saturn (I'm quite sure you didn't just wake up one day and consciously decide: "Okay, from this day onwards I'll reject the existence of purple unicorns on Saturn!").
Is your heart such that you would become a modern day Paul if Christ revealed Himself to you?Thomas had no doubt of the existence of God or Jesus because he was also shown proof of those. Paul, by his own account, zealously persecuted God's church before his conversion (Galatians 1:13). It seems extremely strange that Jesus had no problems with revealing himself to Paul, whereas I can confidently claim that I have never physically harmed a Christian and am fairly open to the concept of God if only there were solid evidence, yet Jesus is unable to reveal himself to me.
All Pauls past sinning became a powerful part of his witness; This is what I was and did, but through Jesus this is what I have become.
Again, God does not need you to acknowledge His existence that can come later at the judgment.
If you have knowledge of something you do not need to have faith in the area of that knowledge. If you know that God exist you do not need faith in the existence of God.You seem to believe that knowledge and faith are incompatible. Is there a reason for this?
If you have knowledge of something you do not need to have faith in the area of that knowledge. If you know that God exist you do not need faith in the existence of God.Again, I was under the assumption that it was fairly obvious that to know that we're accountable to an all-powerful, all-knowing, loving supreme being who created us in his own image would be quite humbling. If it's actually not obvious, I'll simply speak for myself then, but aren't you humbled by knowing that you're accountable to God?
Again God does not want anything from you, we are not doing and really cannot do anything to earn, God is not wanting you to go on some kind of a quest looking for Him, He as at your elbow you just have to turn (figuratively) and He is there. Obeying his Law is Loving him and others with all our heart, soul, mind, and energy, but that comes if we accept His Love and allow it to work.I disagree. It isn't possible for giving up on yourself to lead to any positive results. Knowledge and acknowledgment of one's own insignificance is what leads to humility. If you truly gave up on yourself, you wouldn't even be trying to earn God's favor via your works and your faith at all. If us giving up on ourselves was what God wants of us, why on earth does he want us to seek him and obey his laws and believe in him? We've already given up on ourselves, remember?
Yes we do have to believe (trust Him to help us), but nothing else works, so why not trust Him?
Pride (self center, ego centric, selfishness) is the opposite of humility.
You do not have to believe the Bible but Jesus tells us what it means to give up on self (pride fully trying to solve the problem ourselves) and rely on our creators (fathers) Love when we totally do not deserve it, with Luke 15: 11-32.
How could the Pharisees that got to see, hear, question, and experience Jesus not know He was from God? They above all others should have been able to recognize Him as the Messiah (and deep down they did, but did not want to give up their positions). Another subject.The Bible is a one-sided, biased account that fails to tell the true reason the Pharisees rejected Jesus. Jesus failed to fulfill the messianic prophecies, and he tried to do away with the Mosaic laws and replace them with the New Covenant. How would you feel if another self-proclaimed messiah came along tomorrow and told you that you should obey his New New Covenant instead?
I am not a better person then Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein, but I have accepted Gods Love.That said, I don't feel particularly proud. Knowing a fact and feeling pride over it are two different things. You know that you're a better person than Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein; does that knowledge make you proud? Exactly.
As of right now, so do you trust believe (have faith) they will find a system or that there is a system?And your evidence for that it?
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