"Why doesn't God heal amputees?"

[Svt4Him]

That's great. But again, in my experience, I know of no amputee who is Christian, ergo by my anecdotal evidence, God doesn't save them.

 

[fantascey]

ALL of the amputees i know are saved. one is a guy with only one leg; cuz he is a severe diabetic and he didn't follow his diabetic; and so he lost his leg; but he might lose both!! hes that stubborn.
one is a guy with only two fingers; he is a carpenter; and he was distracted by his son one day and the electric saw thing sliced them off.
and the other one is a guy who lost both arms (up to elbows) in a war; he got to close to a land mine i guess. ( i think he was trying to disarm it actually!) but hes now a famous olympic runner in the specials. and anyway!! all of them are saved. even if they all go to three different churches. and they have all come to terms with being amputees so really!! i don't see why someone started this dumb thread in the first place!! but that is none of my concern; so don't comment on the last little statement please.

 

[fantascey]

ALL of the amputees i know are saved. one is a guy with only one leg; cuz he is a severe diabetic and he didn't follow his diabetic; and so he lost his leg; but he might lose both!! hes that stubborn.
one is a guy with only two fingers; he is a carpenter; and he was distracted by his son one day and the electric saw thing sliced them off.
and the other one is a guy who lost both arms (up to elbows) in a war; he got to close to a land mine i guess. ( i think he was trying to disarm it actually!) but hes now a famous olympic runner in the specials. and anyway!! all of them are saved. even if they all go to three different churches. and they have all come to terms with being amputees so really!! i don't see why someone started this dumb thread in the first place!! but that is none of my concern; so don't comment on the last little statement please.

in the top; i meant DIET

 

[JimfromOhio]

Oh, I thought we were speaking in generalities (), but I know of amputees that aren't saved. Actually I don't know of a single amputee that is saved, so by my anecdotal evidence, God doesn't save them. So can we say that anecdotal evidence isn't the criteria for measuring truth?

I have a friend who is deaf and lost two fingers in a job accident years ago. He is a Christian and a deacon of a deaf church.

Maybe you are just around more non-Christians than you are around Christians. Maybe there are not any of those who are disabled in your church or area.

 

[JimfromOhio]

By the way, this guy still plays golf. I played golf with him. Being disabled never stopped him from doing what he desire in his life nor stop him from serving God.

 

[Svt4Him]

I have a friend who is deaf and lost two fingers in a job accident years ago. He is a Christian and a deacon of a deaf church.

Maybe you are just around more non-Christians than you are around Christians. Maybe there are not any of those who are disabled in your church or area.

So again, I don't determine truth by anecdotal evidence, is that what I hear you saying? I would have to agree.

 

[JimB]

For my age, I am in “perfect” health. I am never sick, sleep well, feel good all day every day. But at my age I can’t run a marathon. I can only do what my aging body allows me to do. Am I infirm because I cannot do what a 20-year-old can do ... old?

BTW, there are some things and older person can do a 20-year-old can't.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis​

 

[NewSong]

Perhaps the reason amputees aren't saved in some Christians eyes is the theology that keeps them condemned or gives them false hopes of delusional ways of being healed. So, I suppose when God created people without limbs that He made a mistake too and that they are not able to be saved either when God called His work fearfully and wonderfully made.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Perhaps the reason amputees aren't saved in some Christians eyes is the theology that keeps them condemned or gives them false hopes of delusional ways of being healed. So, I suppose when God created people without limbs that He made a mistake too and that they are not able to be saved either when God called His work fearfully and wonderfully made.

This I agree. That's my whole point of healing doctrines.

Reps for you.

God never makes mistake in our mother's womb.

 

[Svt4Him]

Perhaps the reason amputees aren't saved in some Christians eyes is the theology that keeps them condemned or gives them false hopes of delusional ways of being healed. So, I suppose when God created people without limbs that He made a mistake too and that they are not able to be saved either when God called His work fearfully and wonderfully made.

Nope, the Bible is pretty clear on this. The reason they're not saved is sin and sin alone.

But to set the record straight, try and focus on how anecdotal evidence is not the basis of truth, God's word is.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Nope, the Bible is pretty clear on this. The reason they're not saved is sin and sin alone.

But to set the record straight, try and focus on how anecdotal evidence is not the basis of truth, God's word is.

So, based on a person appearance (i.e. disabled, poor, dirty, etc) can tell you that they are sinners that they are unable to be saved because they are not healed the way you view in terms of salvation?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Now, I see where this is going. This is based on proof of salvation based on doctrines.

 

[Svt4Him]

Nope, it's me saying that, similar to the OP, we do not base our theology on anecdotal evidence.

So, based on a person appearance (i.e. disabled, poor, dirty, etc) can tell you that they are sinners that they are unable to be saved because they are not healed the way you view in terms of salvation?

Wow, totally don't know how you got this though.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Nope, it's me saying that, similar to the OP, we do not base our theology on anecdotal evidence.



Wow, totally don't know how you got this though.

This is the same as you fight regarding those who are healed. Beyond the personal (between God and the believer) people can view this anecdotal based on evidence of what is "seen". Evidence in the form of hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt about its veracity: the evidence itself is considered untrustworthy or untrue.

A Christian's character is determined by the Spirit-led qualities that issue from his heart. Spiritual fruit is extremely important. It is the indicator that a man is saved. If there is no fruit in your life, something is wrong because fruit is evidence that God is at work. God spoke through Hosea, saying, "From me is thy fruit found" (14:8). Whatever you do that is godly is from God. Walking in the Spirit produces fruit.

When a Christian find themselves longing for the coming of Jesus Christ, that's evidence of salvation.

When a Christian find themselves longing to be delivered from the body of sin and be made like the perfect Christ, that's the evidence of salvation.

Supreme love for God is decisive evidence of the true faith.

Many healings Jesus accomplished were physical evidence of His power to forgive sins (Matt. 9:5-6). When He healed, He frequently said, "Your faith has made you well" (Matt. 9:22; Mk. 5:34; 10:52; Lk. 8:48; 17:19; 18:42). All those healings were object lessons on the doctrine of justification by faith alone. The effect of Christ's atonement was applied to them upon the evidence of their faith in the promises of God. That's between God and the believer. The Book of Hebrews explains that Jesus is the mediator, the executor, of The New Covenant (The New Testament). The word mediator comes from the verb "to mediate" which means a mediator is one who stands between two parties or two factions needing to be reconciled eternally. Christ through His death and resurrection, every legal hindrance has been met and satisfied. The only way to get in is to believe Him with my heart which is sealed by the Holy Spirit. Because of Christ, I am a Christian.

 

[Svt4Him]

Evidence in the form of hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt

No, any personal story can be an anecdotal fallacy, it doesn't involve doubt or hearsay.

The rest I agree with, just don't understand the path you've gone down.

Anecdotal evidence

One of the simplest fallacies is to rely on anecdotal evidence.

It's quite valid to use personal experience to illustrate a point; but such anecdotes don't actually prove anything to anyone. Your friend may say he met Elvis in the supermarket, but those who haven't had the same experience will require more than your friend's anecdotal evidence to convince them.

Anecdotal evidence can seem very compelling, especially if the audience wants to believe it. This is part of the explanation for urban legends; stories which are verifiably false have been known to circulate as anecdotes for years.

 

[JimB]

No, any personal story can be an anecdotal fallacy, it doesn't involve doubt or hearsay.

The rest I agree with, just don't understand the path you've gone down.

Anecdotal evidence

One of the simplest fallacies is to rely on anecdotal evidence.

It's quite valid to use personal experience to illustrate a point; but such anecdotes don't actually prove anything to anyone. Your friend may say he met Elvis in the supermarket, but those who haven't had the same experience will require more than your friend's anecdotal evidence to convince them.

Anecdotal evidence can seem very compelling, especially if the audience wants to believe it. This is part of the explanation for urban legends; stories which are verifiably false have been known to circulate as anecdotes for years.

So, if you say that a person is always healed by faith and a person with faith prays and is not healed, that your theoryology is still right no matter how much anecdotal (empirical) evidence there is to the contrary?

I say, either the Word works or it ain’t the Word. It’s may be misunderstanding the Word, but it ain't the Word, and you need to trash your theoryology, not keep defending it or explaining it away. You're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis​

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[JimfromOhio]

So, if you say that a person is always healed by faith and a person with faith prays and is not healed, that your theoryology is still right no matter how much anecdotal (empirical) evidence there is to the contrary?

I say, either the Word works or it ain’t the Word. It’s may be misunderstanding the Word, but it ain't the Word, and you need to trash your theoryology, not keep defending it or explaining it away. You're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis​

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Svt4Him]

First of all, I don't recall ever saying that. But like any one doctrine taken out and standing alone, there are other doctrines that also need to support it. For instance, if you say someone who repents and believes will be saved, can a murderer repent of stealing a pack of gum, continue to murder, yet still be saved? God hears all prayers is a stand-alone belief. But when the Bible says that if a husband doesn't treat his wife well, the prayers aren't heard, so if you want to use stand alone verses to determine truth, so be it.

As for anecdotal evidence, is that your basis for determining truth? So by your reasoning, amputees really aren't saved as I don't know any, therefore we can say that God really wanted to add something to the Bible but perhaps forgot, based on my anecdotal evidence. Scary for a Christian to let their life determine truth.

So, if you say that a person is always healed by faith and a person with faith prays and is not healed, that your theoryology is still right no matter how much anecdotal (empirical) evidence there is to the contrary?

I say, either the Word works or it ain’t the Word. It’s may be misunderstanding the Word, but it ain't the Word, and you need to trash your theoryology, not keep defending it or explaining it away. You're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis​

 

[gennaoanothen]

to imply that God does not heal amputees, demonstrates a lack of faith, that all things are possible for God.

Amputees have received miracles, study the ministry of Wigglesworth, J. G. Lake

more amputees would receive miracles, if we did not walk by the 5 senses, and teach others to do so. But instead believed God totaly.

 

[JimfromOhio]

to imply that God does not heal amputees, demonstrates a lack of faith, that all things are possible for God.

Amputees have received miracles, study the ministry of Wigglesworth, J. G. Lake

more amputees would receive miracles, if we did not walk by the 5 senses, and teach others to do so. But instead believed God totaly.

I know some amputees have strong faith and so it is never lack of faith. They have strong faith in God.

So, then if its not lack of Faith, then it must be God's will to provide miracles in other means that for HIS PURPOSE and GLORY.