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Why doesn't God heal amputees?

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First of all I do not think that belief has anything to do with if your prayer is answered or not. Secondly I also do not think that everything you pray for will be granted. God is not a genie, He is a just and righteous God and your character and heart has a great deal to do with what you pray for and how God answers.

I do believe that every prayer is answered, yet they are not always the answers we expect or during the timescale we wish to have them answered. Why doesn't he heal amputees? For the same reason I imagine why he hasn't healed my father of Multiple Sclerosis. Some things we are to endure, as it was by our sin that these things came to be.

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First of all I do not think that belief has anything to do with if your prayer is answered or not. Secondly I also do not think that everything you pray for will be granted. God is not a genie, He is a just and righteous God and your character and heart has a great deal to do with what you pray for and how God answers.

I do believe that every prayer is answered, yet they are not always the answers we expect or during the timescale we wish to have them answered. Why doesn't he heal amputees? For the same reason I imagine why he hasn't healed my father of Multiple Sclerosis. Some things we are to endure, as it was by our sin that these things came to be.

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Then why are cancer patients supposedly cured seemingly all the time?

It seems only things that aren't physically possible in science aren't cured by God.
 
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Then why are cancer patients supposedly cured seemingly all the time?

It seems only things that aren't physically possible in science aren't cured by God.
I don't take credit when God does heal people, and I certainly don't take the blame when He doesn't.

Your problem is that you want a clear case. One or the other, yet God as revealed to us in the Bible doesn't work like that. Jesus healed a blind man, but He didn't heal all blind men. Why not? Do you think that as a Christian I have a special God-phone that gives me direct insight into how God thinks? It's not quite like that. I have faith in God that He wants what is best for us, and through our free will to make decisions in our lives, we either follow His plan for our lives or we do not.

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God is supposedly all-powerful. Therefore, God can do anything, and regenerating a leg is trivial. God is perfect, and he created the Bible, which is his perfect book. In the Bible, Jesus makes very specific statements about the power of prayer. Since Jesus is God, and God and the Bible are perfect, those statements should be true and accurate.

God is supposedly all-knowing and all-loving. He certainly knows about the plight of the amputee, and he loves this amputee very much. God is ready and willing to answer your prayers no matter how big or small. All that you have to do is believe. He says it in multiple places in the Bible. If this amputee truly believed and has led a perfect, loving, extremely Christian life, God has no reason to discriminate against this amputee. If he is answering millions of other prayers every day, God should be answering the prayers of amputees too.

So basically, if God is how he is described, he should heal amputees. Yet there is NO record of anyone ever recovering a limb from prayer. And I'll bet there have been many devout Christians throughout history who simply wanted to be able to walk again. But were their prayers answered? No. This is unfair, and demonstrates that God either discriminates, doesn't care about us, or simply doesn't exist.

What a lovely argument by outrage... and.. sadly.. I think this is also possess a few other logical faults.. just can't think of their names right now.

Anyway...

Let me see if I have what you said down correctly... what you meant to say was something like this...

"Blah blah blah.. God is unfair.. God is Evil.. blah.. blah.. blah.. God is false"...

Hummm.. did I get your premise right?

God Bless

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What a lovely argument by outrage... and.. sadly.. I think this is also possess a few other logical faults.. just can't think of their names right now.

Anyway...

Let me see if I have what you said down correctly... what you meant to say was something like this...

"Blah blah blah.. God is unfair.. God is Evil.. blah.. blah.. blah.. God is false"...

Hummm.. did I get your premise right?

God Bless

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You didn't seem to refute my argument, though.
 
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God HAS healed amputees, or at least He probably did.

When Jesus was on Earth he healed thousands of people, from skin diseases, to paralysis, to even reversing death. It's reasonable to believe that in the thousands of people he healed, some of those were amputees.
 
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You didn't seem to refute my argument, though.

I'll take that as a Yes.. then...

Well.. see that is your problem to start with.. this is not a debate forum.. and given that you did not deny what I said.. I can see that wasting additional effort on this subject with you.. is a lost cause...

Look.. yes.. lovely.. you have your little spat thing with God.. or Christianity.. this is a little personal issue of yours.. and sadly I am not going to make your issue my problem..

Sorry.. look.. here is the deal... you don't have a good argument to start with.. the fact that God may heal anyone one.. of anything.. is still a gift.. to say that God must... or that God should.. is placing yourself as judge of God.. and trust me.. your not Gods judge.. your just "another human" one of 6 billion like humans on this planet..

Now... if you think this little argument by outrage has merit.. or weight.. again.. then I would say.. your not a very informed "just another human".. as a matter of fact.. this reeks of many of the web pages I have seen about people that have gotten a bug up their backside about Christ and all that jazz.. and ya know what...

It was lame to start with.. and it's lame even after people just regurgitate what others have said.. I mean really.. if your going to go the path of "Free thinker" you might want to start off by trying to have an original thought or point..

which you don't have...

as for answering your question.. Hummm.. well others have provided some very good answers.. it's just you don't want to accept them.. because it puts a great little dent in your current supposedly indestructible argument against "god"...

so... given that...

have a good day...

God Bless

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If prayer can supposedly cure cancer and other incredibly horrific diseases, why can't God, supreme creator of everything, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, simply give an old, kind-hearted, devout Christian man who had to have his legs amputated, his limbs back? It seems logical for an omnibenevolent being.

For the same reason Jesus did not avoid being crucified & for the same reasons Jesus gave Satan in the dessert.
 
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Hummm.. well others have provided some very good answers.. it's just you don't want to accept them.. because it puts a great little dent in your current supposedly indestructible argument against "god"...

Those "good answers" basically say that God doesn't want to, or the amputee does not believe enough. Which, I'm sure, MANY amputees do. What great reasons. But just to humor you, I'll answer every response that hasn't already been responded to, are agreeing with someone else (I'll answer the statement being agreed with), or simply saying "I don't know."......

It's a mystery why some believers are healed and others are not. But believers will ALL be healed someday. Remember that to a believer, this life on earth is NOT all there is! :)

That doesn't explain why other diseases/disabilities are often cured by God. Why are only amputees not cured?

If God healed and fixed everything, then we would never be motivated to help each other.

Imagine if Christians avoided helping with medical research and inventions due to an exemption from suffering. "No need to develop better artificial limbs for someone else-- God's gonna take care of me."
Progress to help others would be slowed, funding would be reduced, and votes would be influenced by selfishness.

See above statement. And an omnibenevolent being will always help others if they can. Plus, your statement contradicts the Bible, which says that all you need to do is believe and you'll be healed, right?

Harsh? What's harsh about asking an atheist why he would care about something he says he doesn't believe in?:confused:

The information isn't consistent with the Bible. If the Bible is wrong, well.....that raises a lot of questions.
And btw, your three posts were basically the same thing........

Just out of curiosity, what prompted you to pose the question?

See above response. God being seemingly unable to cure amputees is inconsistent with the Bible's teachings on prayer.

Your problem is that you want a clear case. One or the other, yet God as revealed to us in the Bible doesn't work like that. Jesus healed a blind man, but He didn't heal all blind men. Why not? Do you think that as a Christian I have a special God-phone that gives me direct insight into how God thinks? It's not quite like that. I have faith in God that He wants what is best for us, and through our free will to make decisions in our lives, we either follow His plan for our lives or we do not.

Digit

Best response yet in this thread IMO. But again, an omnibenevolent and omnipotent being will cure suffering if he is able to, correct? And I wasn't exactly taking about what Jesus did in the Bible, although it's fine, I suppose. I was directing it more towards what God is often heard to do in modern times. The number of people being cured by miracles shouldn't decrease as time goes on, especially if God is perfectly fair.

God HAS healed amputees, or at least He probably did.

When Jesus was on Earth he healed thousands of people, from skin diseases, to paralysis, to even reversing death. It's reasonable to believe that in the thousands of people he healed, some of those were amputees.

But this is never mentioned in the Bible, or anywhere else. This is pure speculation.

Its not that God cant give the leg back, but that the amputee has not seeked God for healing enough. If you seek you will find and it's God's will that they get the leg but they have not seeked and believed enough.

But in the Bible, even unbelievers are cured. And I'm positive that many people truly believe with all their mind. Such as......

See the video on message #1 here.

Why does God NOT cure this man? He is extremely devout, and simply wants to live a normal life. Is God making him wait, while he suffers from frustration, embarrassment, and disability as he has since birth? Does God want to see him suffer? That does not fit with an omnibenevolent personality. (Bad choice of words, I know. God is not a person)........

For the same reason Jesus did not avoid being crucified & for the same reasons Jesus gave Satan in the dessert.

God likes suffering? :confused:
 
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Those "good answers" basically say that God doesn't want to, or the amputee does not believe enough. Which, I'm sure, MANY amputees do.

We both know that is pure speculation on your part as to what level of faith anyone possess, or what level of faith it would take compaird to what if consider faith today.

But that is the problem when people try to set themselves up as judges of God and his works.. they have no viable measuring stick, or ability to fully grasp the situation, they just assume based on what limited knowledge they possess.

As for God not wanting to.. I see no refutation to that point. if God had taken a persons limbs, and had a motive for it, then, that is a viable answer to the question.

Another thing to note, why should or would God regrow a limb in an industrialized country, where the person would be poked and prodded to figure out how it happened, if God was going to regrow limbs, he would do so, in areas where such was needed, like primitive areas, that can not make compensation for a person missing a limb. But the problem there is, then we have no way to validate that the limb was regrown, or had always been there, beyond the "Word" of some primitive villager.. which.. in the industrialized world.. does not carry any weight.

So.. even on the outset of your little dispute, you can not validate your own claim that God has in fact not healed or restored limbs to people.

IE: your own argument is moot, because you can not substantiate it.

But I have no doubt that you will cling to it.. it seems like such good artillery in the "big book of arguments against god"..

On a side note, given the amount of attention that "Atheist" and "Agnostics" give to Christianity, seems only to support it as the one true religion, because it does not even give the time of day to any other religion.. I guess they are all so wrong. they are beneath notice.. I wonder if the Muslims should be offended?

What great reasons. But just to humor you, I'll answer every response that hasn't already been responded to, are agreeing with someone else (I'll answer the statement being agreed with), or simply saying "I don't know."......

Huh?

God Bless

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Best response yet in this thread IMO. But again, an omnibenevolent and omnipotent being will cure suffering if he is able to, correct? And I wasn't exactly taking about what Jesus did in the Bible, although it's fine, I suppose. I was directing it more towards what God is often heard to do in modern times. The number of people being cured by miracles shouldn't decrease as time goes on, especially if God is perfectly fair.
Heya Monkeypsycho,

I think perhaps the confusion is coming about from not understanding God's character. The Bible is our sort of link with God, in that it tells us about Him and how He acts and what He values. In the Bible God comes to Earth for us, in the person of Jesus Christ. He did this to teach us His values and give us a way to salvation and to wash away all our past, present and future sins. During His time here, he performed miracles and healed people. He did not heal all people, or remove all suffering in the world.

Now your view of God is that He is omnibenevolent, that is a being of the purest good. This I believe is wholly true. The misunderstanding comes into it when we take purest good and give it a definite meaning with our limited mortal minds. For us purest good is someone who will help no matter what, who will set all wrongs right and God has done this too, in His sacrifice for us. Now before you question that, just recall that the Bible makes it very clear to us that God is different than we are.

Isaiah 55:9
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

With this in mind, we cannot assume to know what a being who is so different to us will do. In addition, we cannot know what a purest good being would do, as we are not beings that are purely good. God sees the entire picture, of creation to the end, whereas we see just the tiny window that we can with our fleeting lives and limited outlooks.

In addition we have free will. If God wanted to, He could indeed clean up all our mistakes for us. But what kind of God is that? A babysitter. We would still be as children, yet in adult bodies. Not knowing how to live, how to do right or wrong, or what the consequences are of wrong. If I commit adultery and it causes a great deal of harm and hurt, and God heals it and purifies me again, what have I learnt? Nothing. I would just blunder right into it again. Our free will is our most precious gift, yet we need to accept the choices that we make and the consequences of them. God has a plan for us, we are told He is interested in our character, our hearts and motives. Not in worldly things, big talk or success and fame. But in what makes us, us. In this regard, it would be logical to assume that God does not hold the same value over the things of this world as we do. Everything will return to dust one day, and all will be undone, except for our eternal souls which will house our character.

I cannot make the call as to whether someone who suffered an injury and required amputation has had good come from it, or not. It's easy to look at it and say, "That's horrible!" yet God works in mysterious ways, and by this I mean that God takes the bad and turns it into good. Always. The most unlikley people in the world become God's tools.

In an unusual comparison, I am a serious Farscape fan, and there is an episode where the crew gets sent back in time to a monastry. The monastry was essentially the grounds of a legendary turning point in a war, where sisters and nuns held out against a ravenous horder of attackers. Criton (the main character) goes back and they accidentally mess up the timeline, and in order to set things right they help defend the grounds and save a great deal of lines. Yet when they go back into the future, and look at the historical record, it shows that what actually happened is that all the sisters got killed because the attackers wanted to know who was using advanced weapons (Criton and co.) and the sisters couldn't provide an answer, so they were killed. In a nutshell, we cannot see what our actions will cause in a timeline, when that line of thinking and the scope of time is beyond us. It's easy in the moment to go, yes, heal that person as it will make everything better, but it may not always be that clear.

I hope that helped some. :)
Cheers!
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Actually Key raises a good point about belief. I honestly feel that unless someone wants to believe, they will not. It doesn't matter what is shown them. One New Testiment Scholar that I am friends with, gave me a good example once. He mentioned that there was a case of a man who actually thought he was dead. He had sought out medical help and the doctor found that nothing he said would convince the man otherwise. Eventually the doctor settled on a plan whereby he proved to the man that dead people don't bleed. Or at least in this instance, this man who thought he had been dead all his life, will not bleed. When the man was sitting with a medical journal on his lap and finally agreed that indeed, people who have been dead for a long time no longer bleed - the doctor reached over and pricked him with a pin. A small drop of blood formed on the man's arm, and he recoiled in horror. Suddenly he said, "Good Lord! Dead people do bleed afterall!".

It supports my belief quite well, and even without that my own testimony supports what I think. I never actually wanted to believe in God, so I didn't for a large part of my life. It was only when I found a reason to, a strong desire that manifest itself in me, that I actually sought Him out in earnest.

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He can use things like that to His glory. Paul had a "thorn" in his flesh that was never taken away.

Check out David Ring. I heard him speak earlier this year and it was awesome. - http://www.davidringministries.org/

2 Corinthians 12:9
"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
 
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But in the Bible, even unbelievers are cured. And I'm positive that many people truly believe with all their mind. Such as......
They are cured through the anointing of the believers, not their own faith. Its not about believing with your mind but having a greater revealing in your "deep" self/spirti.
 
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Why does God NOT cure this man? He is extremely devout, and simply wants to live a normal life.
No he doesn't !!
He wants God's life !
He's got the revelation, you havn't - he's in better shape than you
 
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God likes suffering? :confused:

There are Many people out there with amputations or not born with all their limbs from the beginning of their lives who are doing very well - most of the time it is a matter of attitude. Do we need our limbs to be happy? No. Why do you believe that he has to have his limb returned in order to be whole? God NEVER said we wouldn't suffer in this world - quite the opposite as a matter of fact. This may be part of that man's quest in faith. Do you know Everything in this man's life? Have you prayed for enlightenment on this matter? Does this man ask you to pray for him? Does He pray for the return of his limb? Why do you feel that demanding God to return a limb is the only remedy that would make sense?
 
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