Why does there have to be some big plan?

[durangodawood]

here it goes again.
You can not see it until you accept it.
This is only reasonable. You can hear, or read about the plan (it is all in the Bible), but you won't "see" (understand) it.

Thats not a plan. Its a TALE of a plan. I can read other tales about other plans in other religious scripture.

I havent heard/read an actual plan yet. So nothing to accept/reject.

 

[juvenissun]

Thats not a plan. Its a TALE of a plan. I can read other tales about other plans in other religious scripture.

I havent heard/read an actual plan yet. So nothing to accept/reject.

It is in the Bible. You have certainly read a simple version of it. But you do not understand. So you neither remember it nor recognize it.

The grand plan described in the Bible is beyond your imagination. My Christian faith is so much strengthened because eventually, I realized the fantastic grand plan. The plan is revealed beyond what human wisdom can foresee.

 

[juvenissun]

Many people cannot see it because it's not illustrated in deed, but words only. My experience was not what you describe (believe first, then see). I believed because I saw it in someone's actions over time. This was very compelling. I accepted it because I had seen it.

Of course. Otherwise, what are we doing here on the earth?

There are ALL KINDS of experience to convert a person to a Christian. What you said is one, and what I said is another one. I described mine according to my experience. If I did not accept God first, then I would not study the Bible, then I probably would not believe it. Strictly speaking, I did not even accept God for a long time. I simply did not reject Him. That was enough for me.

 

[juvenissun]

Definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive. Who are you to define what Christianity means to others?

You need to be more careful when you talk to a logic person. The highlighted part is not a logically correct description. A definition does not have a meaning. A meaning is not a definition.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The grand plan described in the Bible is beyond your imagination. My Christian faith is so much strengthened because eventually, I realized the fantastic grand plan

So, what's that plan?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Quality of life is based on what criteria?

This ranges a wide variety of numbers...
Including, but not restricted to:
- infant mortality
- life expectency
- general literacy
- unemployment rates
- amount of poor / homeless people
- general required health expences
- availability of education
- crime statistics
- etc

In general, there seems to be a correlation between good scores on these criteria and low level of religiosity.

The higher the level of religiosity, the less attractive the country is to go an live in.

Religiosity here is not be confined to just theism though. It covers pretty much all dogmatic belief systems. You probably heared about the concept of "state religions". It's the kind of thing you find in countries like North Korea. Where there is no "religion" in the traditional sense. Instead, the "god" is the leader.

So, high scores on quality of life indexes are generally found in secular democracies where dogmatic faith or dogmatic politcal groups have only a very small footprint - if at all - with virtually no influence on the society as a whole.

 

[juvenissun]

So, what's that plan?

You have heard the simplified version of it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You have heard the simplified version of it.

Can you just answer the question please?

 

[juvenissun]

Can you just answer the question please?

Simple version is, simple. The plan is BIG. So the simple version covers only the most significant small part. As a consequence, there are many simple versions.

To answer your question: The Plan is: God wants you to have a happy eternal life.

[this simple version is so complicated that every one of the underlined terms can become a significant question.]

 

[Davian]

You need to be more careful when you talk to a logic person. The highlighted part is not a logically correct description. A definition does not have a meaning. A meaning is not a definition.

If you know a "logic person", maybe you can have him explain my post to you.