Why does the Sabbath Start on the International Date Line?

[guevaraj]

All that is your NON answer to my question? I will ask my question again. Maybe you will read it this time and give me a valid answer. "I thought the old covenant (Sabbath)** for Israel that ended at Calvary began where it was given, Sinai. Why is it that the day, given only to Israel, now is observed starting at the International Date Line?" ** added for clarity

The Sabbath!

Brothers and Sisters, Hebrews 3 and 4 calls all of us to enter the Sabbath "rest", after Jesus, that the Jews were not allowed to enter by an oath by keeping the seventh day Sabbath with the manna from morning to morning that was the wrong Sabbath near the Promised Land. Israel is keeping the correct Sabbath because remembered it is in the Eden time zone and not because it is in Israel on the seventh day of the week. The first day in Genesis below is from morning to morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning. Evening falls in the middle of the first day dividing the halves that God called "day" and "night", in that order. Each day of the week ends in a "night" in which God has nothing to report from evening to morning because He only creates during the first half of light from morning to evening and stops creating every "night" from evening to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

A previous morning to morning day of the week is confirmed in the following passage.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I will not be staying in this thread but just wanted to say that there is nothing in what you have posted here in this OP that is biblical or supported by scripture and is the same thread you have been repeating over and over in this section of the forum for quite some time now despite being shown from the scriptures that your teachings are not biblical. I see also, you have made the ballet so votes can only be made that only agrees with your OP? Anyhow, I will leave this one between you and God as I have already shared from scripture why I believe your teachings here are not biblical or the view of the SDA Church which you claim to be a member of.

Good bye

 

[Sabertooth]

1. Sabbath-observing Jews (that I have talked to) all use local time.
2. If there was a geographical standard, it would be Jerusalem,* not some arbitrary, man-made designation (like the IDL).

*"Now when Daniel knew that the [anti-God statute] was signed, he went home.
And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem,

he knelt down on his knees three times that day,
and prayed and gave thanks before his God,​

as was his custom since early days." Daniel 6:10 NKJV

 

[guevaraj]

I will not be staying in this thread but just wanted to say that there is nothing in what you have posted here in this OP that is is biblical or supported by scripture and is the same things you have been saying over and over in this section of the forum for quite some time now despite being shown from the scriptures that your teachings are not biblical. I see also, you have made the ballet so votes can only be made that only agrees with your OP? Anyhow, I will leave this one between you and God as I have already shared from scripture why I believe your teachings here are not biblical or the view of the SDA Church which you claim to be a member of. Good bye

Brother, happy Sabbath! You don't have an answer from the Bible to share with "Bob S" on why the Sabbath starts on the International Date Line, but I do! Israel is keeping the correct Sabbath because remembered it is in the Eden time zone and not because it is in Israel on the seventh day of the week. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

1. Sabbath-observing Jews (that I have talked to) all use local time.
2. If there was a geographical standard, it would be Jerusalem,* not some arbitrary, man-made designation (like the IDL).

*"Now when Daniel knew that the [anti-God statute] was signed, he went home.
And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem,

he knelt down on his knees three times that day,
and prayed and gave thanks before his God,​

as was his custom since early days." Daniel 6:10 NKJV

Brother, happy Sabbath! Do you have a biblical answer to "Bob S" on why the Sabbath starts on the International Date Line? United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BobRyan]

The first day in Genesis below is from morning to morning

nope:

And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

 

[guevaraj]

nope: And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

Brother, happy Sabbath! What you think is a full day is only the first half of a Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening, the starting "night" half from evening to morning that is missing the second morning to evening "day" half of a Sabbath in Israel. Do you have a biblical answer to "Bob S" on why the Sabbath starts on the International Date Line? United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Sabertooth]

Do you have a biblical answer to "Bob S" on why the Sabbath starts on the International Date Line?

That is not a position that I would defend.
The IDL was established in 1884.
And that was based on the Prime meridian (traversing London).
Neither are Biblically significant.

In God's economy, Jerusalem would be the obvious candidate for either the prime meridian or the IDL.
Why would you (or anyone else) seek to unseat it for London or any other arbitrary locale?

The London reference is serviceable for most applications, but there will be no artifacts left of the Babylonian Superdynasty when Jesus returns.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
nope: And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

Brother, happy Sabbath! What you think is a full day is only the first half of a Sabbath

You took the part where I quoted scripture that refutes your claim -- "the quote of scripture alone" and explained why you object to it.

fine. But you are proving that your argument "is with the text". I am ok with that if you are because I agree this is where we differ. I do not object to "The text" when I see it quoted.

 

[guevaraj]

That is not a position that I would defend.
The IDL was established in 1884.
And that was based on the Prime meridian (based on London).
Neither are Biblically significant.

In YHWH-centered geo[taxy?], Jerusalem would be the obvious candidate for either the prime meridian or the IDL.
Why would you (or anyone else) seek to unseat it for London or any other arbitrary locale?

The London reference is serviceable for most applications, but there will be no artifacts left of the Babylonian Superdynasty when Jesus returns.

Brother, everyone thinks that the International Date Line is a human tradition when it comes from all of us from the beginning as the place where God taught us to count the days with the week. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Sabertooth]

...it comes from all of us from the beginning as the place where God taught us to count the days with the week.

How did they count those days before 1884 AD?

 

[guevaraj]

You took the part where I quoted scripture that refutes your claim -- "the quote of scripture alone" and explained why you object to it. fine. But you are proving that your argument "is with the text". I am ok with that if you are because I agree this is where we differ. I do not object to "The text" when I see it quoted.

Brother, I understand the text as the second half of the first day, but you force it to represent a full day in contradiction to what God said is a full Sabbath in Israel that does not stop at morning but continues until another evening. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, happy Sabbath! You don't have an answer from the Bible to share with "Bob S" on why the Sabbath starts on the International Date Line, but I do! Israel is keeping the correct Sabbath because remembered it is in the Eden time zone and not because it is in Israel on the seventh day of the week. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I am sorry I respectfully disagree. Please do not claim things that are unknown or not supported by fact or scripture. Where in the bible does it tell us the location of where Eden is and where in the bible does it say that God's 4th commandment starts on the international dateline. Your promoting opinion unsupported by fact or scripture that is not biblical. All you have is your opinion unsupported by scripture. Sorry but you do not have any answers but simply your opinion unsupported by scripture.

 

[guevaraj]

How did they count those days before 1884 AD?

Brother, before recognized was the International Date Line, the Jews spread all over the world taking the Sabbath with them and after recognized was the International Date Line, they didn't like where it was and tried to change it, but they could not convince all the Jews who followed the Sabbath to change the day that they were keeping the Sabbath. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Sabertooth]

"Local time" is reasonable.
"Jerusalem time" is defensible.
"London time" is neither.

 

[guevaraj]

I am sorry I respectfully disagree. Please do not claim things that are unknown or not supported by fact or scripture. Where in the bible does it tell us the location of where Eden is and where in the bible does it say that God's 4th commandment starts on the international dateline. Your promoting opinion unsupported by fact or scripture that is not biblical. All you have is your opinion unsupported by scripture.

Brother, you have no biblical answer for Seventh-day Adventists in Western Samoa who observe the Sabbath on Sunday after the government switched sides on the International Date Line to aid trade. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, you have no biblical answer for Seventh-day Adventists in Western Samoa who observe the Sabbath on Sunday after the government switched sides on the International Date Line to aid trade. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Who says so? According to the scriptures God's 4th commandment is the "seventh day" of the week *Exodus 20:8-11 and continues to remain so. Read the scriptures.

 

[guevaraj]

"Local time" is reasonable.
"Jerusalem time" is defensible.
"London time" is neither.

Brother, again you assume that invented was the site of the Internal Date Line when discovered it was because it exists from the beginning when God taught us to count the day with the week. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Who says so? According to the scriptures God's 4th commandment is the "seventh day" of the week *Exodus 20:8-11 and continues to remain so. Read the scriptures.

Brother, according to Hebrews 3 and 4, the "rest" of God's Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land. Although the Jews kept the seventh day Sabbath with the manna for 40 years, it was not God's Sabbath "rest" near the Promised Land. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[chevyontheriver]

I will not be staying in this thread but just wanted to say that there is nothing in what you have posted here in this OP that is biblical or supported by scripture and is the same thread you have been repeating over and over in this section of the forum for quite some time now despite being shown from the scriptures that your teachings are not biblical. I see also, you have made the ballet so votes can only be made that only agrees with your OP? Anyhow, I will leave this one between you and God as I have already shared from scripture why I believe your teachings here are not biblical or the view of the SDA Church which you claim to be a member of.

Good bye

The sabbath starts at sundown local time. The OP is just a chain puller.