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Featured Why does the Pope wear that hat?

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Jaxxi, Feb 23, 2021 at 12:15 AM.

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  1. Jaxxi

    Jaxxi Saint- in training

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    I read that the Pope wears that fish hat to honor Dragon who is the father of Baal. I thought that Baal was a demon or was Satan himself. The Bible mentions Baal and Ashtaroth and I know Ashtaroth is a demon. So what is up with the Popes hat? I mean no disrespect, I am just curious.
     
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  2. Sophrosyne

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    It probably dates back to the age where everyone wore hats that were important sort of like a crown is a symbol of royalty and power likely the hat is a similar thing. The hat doesn't really bother me but the kissing a ring thing I find rather weird but then I'm not a Catholic.
     
  3. timothyu

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    The fish was a secret symbol of early Christianity. Perhaps this is his way of being recognized as a Christian ?
     
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    The pope hats worship to Dagon not dragon and he is supposedly sea being who save the world in their story infiltrated in the catholic church. They accept it and do not know who is Has-em.
     
  7. Jaxxi

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    I found this-
    Dagon, the fish-god, represented that deity as a manifestation of the same patriarch who had lived so long in the waters of the deluge. As the Pope bears the key of Janus, so he wears the mitre of Dagon. The excavations of Nineveh have put this beyond all possibility of doubt. The Papal mitre is entirely different from the mitre of Aaron and the Jewish high priests. That mitre was a turban. The two-horned mitre, which the Pope wears, when he sits on the high altar at Rome and receives the adoration of the Cardinals, is the very mitre worn by Dagon, the fish-god of the Philistines and Babylonians. There were two ways in which Dagon was anciently represented. The one was when he was depicted as half-man half-fish; the upper part being entirely human, the under part ending in the tail of a fish. The other was, when, to use the words of Layard, "the head of the fish formed a mitre above that of the man, while its scaly, fan-like tail fell as a cloak behind, leaving the human limbs and feet exposed." Of Dagon in this form Layard gives a representation in his last work; and no one who examines his mitre, and compares it with the Pope's as given in Elliot's Horoe, can doubt for a moment that from that, and no other source, has the pontifical mitre been derived. The gaping jaws of the fish surmounting the head of the man at Nineveh are the unmistakable counterpart of the horns of the Pope's mitre at Rome.


    I don't know if there is truth to this but it seems strange. His ring is called " the Fisherman's ring" and people kiss it. Why? This is even stranger.
     
  8. timothyu

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    Nothing wrong with symbolism. They even made a movie about the shoes of the fisherman.
     
  9. SkyWriting

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    The RCC has a big thing about "traditions" and you could say it was the crown of a coconut tree and they'd defend it as church tradition and therefore sacred.
     
  10. Jaxxi

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    Haha! Seriously? I mean if I was to meet the Queen, I would not bow before her. She is not my queen. I would not kiss the Popes ring either. ( Covid......just kidding) but if Jesus showed up wearing a ring, well I couldn't kiss it either because my lips would be on His feet.
     
  11. Jaxxi

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    Was the Pope in that movie? I have never heard of it.
     
  12. timothyu

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    No. Anthony Quinn stood in.
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    The disciples never kissed Jesus feet. Jesus is like the next person you see in the morning.

    Ephesians 5:21
    Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.


    Philippians 2:3

    Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

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    Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.
     
  14. Jaxxi

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    And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, “Fear not; I am the First and the Last. Revelation 1:17

    This is what I meant.
     
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    Nothing to do with Dagon
     
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    The above is directly quoted from Alexander Hislop, so you can be confident that it is complete fiction.
     
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    That's correct. It has nothing to do with Dagon. That's purely a myth created by people who want to believe it to be so.

    In reality, the "split" design is emblematic of the cloven tongues of fire that came upon heads of the disciples after Christ's ascension. In time, the inevitable trend set in of making it higher and more exaggerated in appearance, and today there is a bit of a movement for bishops (in the West) to give up the wearing of mitres altogether.
     
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    Great answer. The whole "dragon" thing is just nonsense and is worse than just being ignorant on why they are the way that they are. The answer is easy enough to find, and one has to wantonly create the evil side for loaded reasons.
     
  19. Albion

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    This has nothing to do with fish gods or hats, though. You recall that Christ himself said to his Apostles that they would be "fishers of men." (Matthew 4:19)

    So a reference to fishing is appropriate in Christianity, but the bishop's mitre (hat) has nothing to do with any pagan forerunners.
     
  20. prodromos

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    I suspect that this whole idea originated with Hislop. He has this completely bogus methodology where if something looks similar, or sounds similar, then the one MUST be derived from the other, like the whole "ishtar" = "easter" nonsense, where the former is from the Akkadian language (East Semitic) in the region of Mesopotamia which had ceased to exist around the time of Christ, and the latter is from Old Teutonic German in Western Europe several centuries later. No geographical, temporal or etymological connection between the two, but because they sound almost the same ...
     
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