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Why does Paganism scare Christians?

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ihavefoundgod951

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Magic (I still spell it with a "c") is only one little aspect, and not very important in my particular path. Basically, you've validated my point that we're not Christian and therefore bad/evil.

Let's see if you'll validate my other point. If I told you my path is really about an appreciation of life, individuality, and the Universe, as well as a place to draw inspiration for creative endeavors, then does that change your opinion?

Did that video have no impact on you at all? When you do magik you are calling upon demonic forces. If you do some research you will see gardeners connection to Alistair Crowley, it is said Crowley wrote Wiccas book of shadows.

I used to be pagan until I realized it's origins are evil (demonic) I am now a Christian and I urge you to bow your head to God, confess and repent your involvement with the occult.

Look up YouTube videos of derrick prince deliverance videos (just to be safe)

If you want to continue been pagan that's on you, but I have warned you.
 
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The best way to realize that most pagan practices or occult practices are not evil or 'satanic' is to try them. I practised aspects of Wicca, Druidry and ritual magic after I left Christianity. It was an interesting and enlightening time. If I gained anything, it was that people really need to stop being so afraid of things and just check stuff out. It's like turning the light on in a kids bedroom to show him that there is no monster in the closet.
 
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Er, how's that different from the Abrahamic religions?

Pagans use magik to call upon demons for favours.

Christians use prayer to call upon God/angels for favours.

No you command gods/idols using demonic forces, using methods and scripture created by Alistair Crowley. I urge you to look carefully at what it is you are involved in (the occult)
 
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Did that video have no impact on you at all?

I'm not a Wiccan.

When you do magik you are calling upon demonic forces.

No, I'm not.

If you do some research you will see gardeners connection to Alistair Crowley, it is said Crowley wrote Wiccas book of shadows.

I'm aware of Gardner and Crowley. Again, I'm not Wiccan.

I used to be pagan until I realized it's origins are evil (demonic)

What tradition did you follow? What beliefs did you hold and what practices did you perform? How long did you study? What triggered your conversion?

If you want to continue been pagan that's on you, but I have warned you.

I promise not to complain when you point and laugh at me being tortured in hell from your cloud in heaven ;)
 
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I'm not a Wiccan.

No, I'm not.

I'm aware of Gardner and Crowley. Again, I'm not Wiccan.

What tradition did you follow? What beliefs did you hold and what practices did you perform? How long did you study? What triggered your conversion?

I promise not to complain when you point and laugh at me being tortured in hell from your cloud in heaven ;)


True Paganism does not involve magik, witchcraft and paganism are two different things, but for some reason they have been merged. (probably due to the work of Crowley)

I was wiccan and also I practiced shamanism, meditation ect
It is of evil origins, people do not know how pagans used to practice in olden times, there practice is lost knowledge, this religion has been made up of speculation.
I know people who dabble with this kind of thing are looking for spiritual fulfillment, let me tell you this is not the answer.

I now go to a modern Christian church and have felt God's love, I know I am now in the presence of good.

I wish you luck, but I advise you to consider what it actually is what you are involved in. Research into its origins.
 
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True Paganism does not involve magik, witchcraft and paganism are two different things, but for some reason they have been merged. (probably due to the work of Crowley)

Huh?

this religion has been made up of speculation.
Just like every religion that lacks empirical evidence to back up its claims (which is all of them).

I know people who dabble with this kind of thing are looking for spiritual fulfillment, let me tell you this is not the answer.
It is for me, but then again, I have more than a decade under my belt, so I'm not dabbling.

What is it that you find particularly evil about appreciating the Universe, life, and individuality? How did that differ from your time as a Wiccan? Which Wiccan tradition did you say you were part of?
 
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I know people who dabble with this kind of thing are looking for spiritual fulfillment, let me tell you this is not the answer.

It may be the answer to some. Not everything thinks the same or enjoys the same things. Understand and except that, and you will find more peace.
 
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Huh?

Just like every religion that lacks empirical evidence to back up its claims (which is all of them).

It is for me, but then again, I have more than a decade under my belt, so I'm not dabbling.

What is it that you find particularly evil about appreciating the Universe, life, and individuality?

It's is said that the message in the bible is sent from god.

Where does the information of your religion come from, the mouth of a man, it's been made up (or possibly worse Satan) alot of the practices where on the work of a lady scientist I forget her name, her work was later disapproved and ridiculed and false information. Most of what you practice has been made up.

The words of the bible came from the mouth of Jesus, whos existence is a proven fact.

If you ask historians if pagans practiced magik, im confident the answer would be no.
 
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I believe Satan is at the heart of most pagan religions, using magik you call upon demons, take Wicca for example it is based around calling upon spirits to preform magik, the origins of Wicca lead to Gardener and Alistair Crowley (famous statanist) watch the below video to learn about Alistair Crowley (Wicca is the work of Satan)

I think this post answers the OP's question rather well (if inadvertedly so).

It's also brimming with (cultivated) ignorance.

1. Aleister Crowley, while most certainly a controversial figure who did his best to shock and offend Christians and polite society alike, was not a Satanist. In fact, he had some very strong words for the so-called "Black Brothers", regarding them as fools who'd get stuck because they cling to their ego-constructs, never attaining mystical union. And contemporary Satanists (theistic or non-theistic), in turn, tend to regard him as a "right-hand-path"-representative, more akin to Christians than to themselves.

2. Gerald Gardner certainly "borrowed" from Crowley (and from the Freemasons, and from BDSM subculture, and from Margaret Murray's "Witch Cult in Western Europe", just to mention a few). But Gardnerian Wicca is still pretty much an entity of its own, and has got nothing to do with Satan at all.

3. Wicca - while certainly the most well-known and widespread manifestation of neo-paganism - is not at all synonymous with (neo-)paganism. There's lots and lots of different approaches, from neo-shamans over reconstructionists of the various ancient pantheons (Egyptian, Greek, Norse), to the syncretic religions of the Caribbean and South America, combining traditional African religion with local customs and even some Christian influences. What's more, there are about a gazillion people out there who call themselves "Wiccans" even though their ideas, beliefs, and practices have got virtually nothing to do with Gardner.

4. At the end of the day, what neo-pagans call "magic" is usually not that different from what Christians call "prayer" or "mass": there may be a theological difference between the two, yet in terms of practice, a Dianic Wiccan invoking the goddess is not all that different from a Catholic priest performing the transsubstantiation, or a protestant speaking in tongues.
 
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The words of the bible came from the mouth of Jesus, whos existence is a proven fact.

Excluding the 2/3rds of your Bible written prior to the birth of Jesus since it would be impossible for them to come from Jesus's mouth from the starting gate, only the Gospels and some of Revelation contain anything attributed to Jesus directly.
 
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It may be the answer to some. Not everything thinks the same or enjoys the same things. Understand and except that, and you will find more peace.

Hey I have the attitude of each to there own, I just urge people to research what it is they're actually getting into, because I wasn't aware and it's quite scary when you learn the truth. Deep down I always had a feeling what I was doing was wrong. Imo from my experience modern paganism is manmade and has satanic influences.
 
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It's is said that the message in the bible is sent from god.

Lots of people say that about their scripture.

Where does the information of your religion come from, the mouth of a man, it's been made up (or possibly worse Satan) alot of the practices where on the work of a lady scientist I forget her name, her work was later disapproved and ridiculed and false information. Most of what you practice has been made up.

Again, all religions are made up.

The words of the bible came from the mouth of Jesus, whos existence is a proven fact.

It is?

If you ask historians if pagans practiced magik, im confident the answer would be no.

Neopagans aren't trying to copy or recreate ancient Pagans. We draw inspiration from the art and myth of past civilizations, but mostly we forge a new path based on experience. Hence the "neo" prefix.
 
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It's is said that the message in the bible is sent from god.
Said by whom?
If you are not familiar with the graphic below, you should be.

780px-Bible_cycle.jpg


The words of the bible came from the mouth of Jesus, whos existence is a proven fact.
Actually, not one word of the Bible was penned by Jesus, and we have no way of ascertaining which content of the gospels (if any) is historically accurate.
Nor is Jesus's existence a "proven fact". Personally, I think it highly likely that there was a historical Jesus, yet in the end, we *are* left to speculate. And even if there was such a man, it's yet another question whether he bore that much resemblance to the god-man of the scriptures.

Imagine if the only sources we had on L. Ron Hubbard came from the pen of Scientologists, and any independent source was written a hundred years later, merely repeating the claims scientologists made about their founder - that's approximately the situation we have with Jesus.
 
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I'm not scared of pagans, and they're such a negligible part of the population that there would never, ever be a need to be scared of them. I actually never think of paganism as a serious religion- in my mind at least, paganism is a set of diverse beliefs from ancient times that some people have adopted in this day and age to try and be 'unique'- there is nothing to fear from something that has no seriousness about it whatsoever.
 
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I'm not scared of pagans, and they're such a negligible part of the population that there would never, ever be a need to be scared of them. I actually never think of paganism as a serious religion- in my mind at least, paganism is a set of diverse beliefs from ancient times that some people have adopted in this day and age to try and be 'unique'- there is nothing to fear from something that has no seriousness about it whatsoever.

It's important to the practitioner at least, but being such a subjective, personal path, it doesn't need to be important to anyone else. Just to clarify a bit, the goal is not to be unique, though it's commonly believed that being an individual is a good thing; not meaning in a rebellious way, just that it's OK to embrace who you are.
 
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