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Why does God want us in heaven?

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God is supreme

How lonely that must be. God has no equal. . . Unless. . . Perhaps that's our job, our mission, the reason for our creation, to become God's equal; to progress in eternity from worship to knowledge of God to. . . Equality?

I am only a worshipper, aspiring to know God. I speculate. It is obvious why I want to go to heaven, but why does God want me there.

I work by analogy, with the certainty that I do not understand; a man may be happy in the company of dogs, but he will want the society of other men. I do not know God, I do not know, may be incapable of knowing as a mortal man, what equality with God might mean.

What arrogance! To claim to be God's equal! . . . No, I speculate that God wants me (and you) to become worthy of associating with God.

 

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God's creation can never become equal with God. Either its heaven or hell. Sitting on the fence will push you further in hell, so there's not much choice lol. Why does God want us there? Well heaven is a continual process that is the work of eternity. Heaven in short, is what we make it. The greater our example and understanding of God, the greater our heaven. God wants us there because its the true purpose of our exsistance, it is the purpose of conscienceness to know God in heaven.
 
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Greetings,

God says:

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

The reason God created us was to reveal His "great love", for He is Love:

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie
 
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servant4ever said:
But God has angels in heaven.

Yeah, but they don't do windows.

Couldn't He just make people to be in heaven, no matter what?

Sure, He could have. But, He chose instead to make us free to reject His love or accept it and return it.
 
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Well, define where and what Heaven is. Is there a "place" that contains God? Is heaven defined as the "place where God dwells"? If so, I could understand wanting to separate Heaven and earth, saying we'll dwell on the new earth, but not in Heaven. But why is heaven heaven? That is because it is where God is. It's not a separate "place", but the very presence of God. And after the resurrection and judgement, as Paul says, 1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Elsewhere, Paul says, Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

God's presence is a consuming fire. When God finally and fully fills all things and is all in all, that which is corrupt is "burnt up" and that which is not is refined and transformed. The new heavens and new earth are not separate from Heaven. They WILL BE heaven, because God will then dwell fully with His creation, enjoying the full effects of the Word's Incarnation.

Armstrong, you pretty much have it right. We are, as Peter tells us, to become partakers of the Divine Nature. And as Paul says, to be conformed to the image of Christ. We are to "be holy as I am holy". Full and complete communion with God through Christ is our ultimate goal.
 
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knee-v said:
When God finally and fully fills all things and is all in all, that which is corrupt is "burnt up" and that which is not is refined and transformed. The new heavens and new earth are not separate from Heaven. They WILL BE heaven, because God will then dwell fully with His creation, enjoying the full effects of the Word's Incarnation.
He will shake heaven and earth, that only the unshakable may remain: he is a consuming fire, that only that which cannot be consumed may stand forth eternal. It is the nature of God, so terribly pure that it destroys all that is not pure as fire, which demands like purity in our worship. He will have purity. It is not that the fire will burn us if we do not worship thus; yea, will go on burning within us after all that is foreign to it has yielded to its force, no longer with pain and consuming, but as the highest consciousness of life, the presence of God.

The Father of all Facts will flood the cosmos with Facthood -- that is heaven.
 
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AdmirableArmstrong said:
God is supreme

How lonely that must be. God has no equal. . . Unless. . . Perhaps that's our job, our mission, the reason for our creation, to become God's equal; to progress in eternity from worship to knowledge of God to. . . Equality?

I am only a worshipper, aspiring to know God. I speculate. It is obvious why I want to go to heaven, but why does God want me there.

I work by analogy, with the certainty that I do not understand; a man may be happy in the company of dogs, but he will want the society of other men. I do not know God, I do not know, may be incapable of knowing as a mortal man, what equality with God might mean.

What arrogance! To claim to be God's equal! . . . No, I speculate that God wants me (and you) to become worthy of associating with God.


Out of love.
 
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AdmirableArmstrong said:
God is supreme

How lonely that must be. God has no equal. . . Unless. . . Perhaps that's our job, our mission, the reason for our creation, to become God's equal; to progress in eternity from worship to knowledge of God to. . . Equality?

I am only a worshipper, aspiring to know God. I speculate. It is obvious why I want to go to heaven, but why does God want me there.

I work by analogy, with the certainty that I do not understand; a man may be happy in the company of dogs, but he will want the society of other men. I do not know God, I do not know, may be incapable of knowing as a mortal man, what equality with God might mean.

What arrogance! To claim to be God's equal! . . . No, I speculate that God wants me (and you) to become worthy of associating with God.


The answer that is given to us as revealed in God's Word will be found in the love relationship between the Father and the Son in the Triune nature of God.

A key word to research in this context is: "inheritance".

To be sure, God was not "lonely". As God and fully Self Sufficient within the Trinity, God was not lonely or bored.

Yes, God created the angels, which is one aspect of our pilgramage here. God demonstrates His Love, Mercy, Grace and Justice to the angels through this plane of existence.

Another bit of research in that context would be to research everything the NT says about the angels, especially in the Epistles of Paul and Peter.

Another thing you will want to remember about the Nature of God, is that God is the God of Covenant. Do some research on the Covenants, and how Christ has fulfilled those Covenants.
 
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AdmirableArmstrong said:
God is supreme

What arrogance! To claim to be God's equal! . . . No, I speculate that God wants me (and you) to become worthy of associating with God.


The problem there is that none of us can be worthy in and of ourselves.

We are made worthy by the imputed righteousness of Christ to our account.

Romans 4;
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?[a] 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[b] 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth


5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “ Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.”[c]
Abraham Justified Before Circumcision


9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.
The Promise Granted Through Faith


13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”[d]) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”[e] 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[f]
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
 
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knee-v said:
Well, define where and what Heaven is. Is there a "place" that contains God? Is heaven defined as the "place where God dwells"? If so, I could understand wanting to separate Heaven and earth, saying we'll dwell on the new earth, but not in Heaven. But why is heaven heaven? That is because it is where God is. It's not a separate "place", but the very presence of God. And after the resurrection and judgement, as Paul says, 1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Elsewhere, Paul says, Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

God's presence is a consuming fire. When God finally and fully fills all things and is all in all, that which is corrupt is "burnt up" and that which is not is refined and transformed. The new heavens and new earth are not separate from Heaven. They WILL BE heaven, because God will then dwell fully with His creation, enjoying the full effects of the Word's Incarnation.

Armstrong, you pretty much have it right. We are, as Peter tells us, to become partakers of the Divine Nature. And as Paul says, to be conformed to the image of Christ. We are to "be holy as I am holy". Full and complete communion with God through Christ is our ultimate goal.

Thank you very much. I think this is what I was trying to think.
 
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Hi Revrobor

revrobor said:
Read Rev. 21. Our eternal home will be on the New Earth not in Heaven. People have arrived at the misconception of going to Heaven apparently because they believe Paradise, the "heavens" and Heaven are the same place.

You know, I have shown this to people before and they still do not believe it,

They ask, Well then what is the New heaven for???? Revelation also says God himself will dwell with us here on earth in the New Jerusalem, Earth was made for man, The New Earth will be made for man and God,

Defintely going to be a very interesting and exciting place,

As to why God wants us to be with him, I have heard people many times say we are not automatons,

The flip side is neither is God!!!, We are created in his image, When you create something, Lets say you closet carpenters out there build a beautiful cabinet out in your garage don't you want to some one to see it and enjoy it with you??

Do you feel a bubble of love and pride when you give it to someone you care for and they really appreciate not only it but you to??

God is not an automaton either, He does not want to be alone and live in a vacuum, He is a social being, Just like us, He encourages us to pray and fellowship with him,

Why?? Because he has so much he wants to do for us, So much he wants to show and share with us, The angels rejoiced when he created this heaven and earth,

How many times have we gone out into Gods nature and been amazed at the beauty of this creation, God tells us in Revelation that we have not seen anything yet, Wait until you see what I have planned for the New Heaven and New Earth;)

yours in Christ
deu 58
 
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