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Ah, I see.... so the undoubtedly immoral act of human sacrifice was made right by the righteous, holy and moral act of genocide.
Also, if you have a problem with Human Sacrifice, then why do you follow a religion built around one?
So we see in these passages you bring up, a moral dilemma that for God to put a stop to evil (the thread title) He must create evil.
Is that you, raze?Ok glad I asked it as a question. So you have never been a Christian then?
Now there is a tough question! Not sure I can address that one without just making it even more confusing than it already is. Can I ask if anyone here would ever do either one, and if not that the question isn't applicable?
a point that you can't refute?
That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
That's like saying the only way to stop the Nazis was to create an even bigger holocaust than they did.
Anytime you want to stop just making stuff up and deal with reality, let us know.
And yet no matter what info is presented to you you ignore in and return to your folly. How does that pass for honest conversation again?
You have demonstrated not knowing what a strawman is or at least refusing to see one when it stares you in the face, so lets just say you're wrong and this isn't worth addressing.
See above. If all you want to do is belittle Christianity go sign up on I hate God.com, this isn't the place for it.
Don't make me laugh. There is no point here I can't refute, but this nonsense of trying to make everything happen all at once is for the birds.
If you can show me where I am wrong, I am all ears.
Well then, how about you actually try refuting an argument, rather than telling us all about how you can refute everything.
Which is exactly what happened. You never heard of D-Day either.
No sir, I already snipped out for you the relevant part of the text you're willfully skipping over, so you couldn't miss it. You can see WHY God intended for them to die, and that has nothing to do their tribe; instead it is judgment for action.
What we are left with is God judges us, and it sux to be in that position. This presents a moral dilemma, which is the whole purpose of both the story and its inclusion in what we call Scripture; but I just took 3 steps WAY ahead of what you're stuck on. Go back and establish WHY.
That stretches the definition beyond all meaning. Again, this is judgment for action.
Too vague and general to answer, and frankly those specific situations are much more difficult to deal with than the other situations that you're still having difficulty with, so lets resolve those first.
You still haven't answered my question about the children, and I suspect now that you never will.
When have you known a human sacrifice to get up and administrate leadership? You're not making any sense.
Sorry, what was your question? Why not focus on what Loudmouth is asking about, and get that much settled first before we delve into harder things?
You can read through other people struggling their way through this, and become much better informed yourself in the process. Its not like this is the 3rd post you know.
So Jesus didn't die for your sins?
And before you throw out the inevitable strawman accusation, yes, this is a relevant point. A sacrifice is the killing of a person in atonement for something.
Jesus was killed (sacrificed), in atonement for the sins of humanity.
Furthermore, Christians have often told me in order to be saved, I have to "accept his sacrifice", worded exactly that way.
Unless Jesus was sacrificed, then he did not atone for your sins, and his whole character is irrelevant.
Please explain to me the workings of any human sacrifice you know of. Now compare that to how Jesus died, condemned as a criminal but with no criminal charge and no conviction either.
Give any thought to this at all and you are forced to see that your idea here is simply false.
Please give Biblical support for your favored doctrine. Since you can't do that you can't very well expect me to buy into it, can you?
Now what I will say is that obviously that approach didn't make sense to you, and I can commend you for being correct. At the same time that can be very confusing to many Christians today, so you can expect any number of confusing and diverging viewpoints to show up here. Maybe this is why we don't try to shove every possible issue into one thread?
Dave, you're in no position to make any such assertion. In fact you have this entirely backwards, but again, this is the wrong thread for that HUGE topic.
Fair enough, I grant your concession that Jesus was not sacrificed to atone for the sins of humanity and was nothing more than a street preacher murdered by the Romans.
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